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I'm sick of working in a female field.
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Yes, baseless accusations do happen - I was fired once for an allegation of abuse while struggling to get a patient into a seclusion room. They didn't care if it was true or not. As a State attorney my supervisor was wrongly accused of sexual harrassment by a secretary - the chsrges were total BS, and the secretary eventually fired for makng false accusations.. So sure, it happens, but at least from my observations it is not widespread. It's bad when it happens, but I've seen it happen in all fields, not just nursing, and never so much as to make me want to leave a career field. |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago John, I had this patient once, who told me she had been undiagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis for YEARS. She had every test done and saw many specialists when she was having motor control issues. Want to know what she was told? It was all in her head. After all, if the tests didn't find it, and so many doctors had a different opinion of hers, then everyone ASSUMED she was lying. You are doing to me what the doctors did to her. You are assuming because there was a a select group of people with a concensus, that somehow it must be true. Where is your critical thinking ability? My family member had a patient once, who was doing an intake for her patients, and she hadn't eaten that day and the cigarette and body odor from the patient was making her feel nauseous. The patient complained that she was being rude. Was she? No, she was feeling sick to her stomache. Now is it possible this nausea could be chronic and endemic and the behavior associated with the nausea be mispercieved itself as rudeness? Of course it could, but would it be rudeness? Absolutely not. So why then would you make such a jump of logic with me? I get mistaken for being rudesometimes, but I have something called Aspberger's Autism, which means I relate to social situations differently than others. It's not rudeness, its just a manifestation of how my brain works. I'm a good nurse. I kept my head cool under pressure, made sure my patients were taken care of optimally, and maintained and improved my nursing skills. CaptainEric, you were a victim of this, and your boss was a victim of this. I was a victim of this. My friends have been victims of this. My uncle has been a victim of this. My buddy, who is a criminal defense attorney, has representated men falsely accused of this, and he himself has been a victim of this. This is widespread. Too widespread. If you had been female would your outcomes have been better? I don't have any evidence but anecdotes makes me wonder if it would have been. I am now just understanding the institutionalized sexism against men because of open ended laws and uncontrolled litigation resulting in unfair discrimination and orwellian social control. Men are just waking up to this fact. Many men in a female dominated field some get along just fine working the floor, but there are those that communicate differently, think differently, and are socially deviant from the norm, that can end up facing unfair consequences due to misperception of illegality that just isn't there. I encourage all readers to challenge your thinking processes and biases and ask yourselves if your preconcieved notions and perceptions may be in err. |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago solitas77....I am sorry if you think I made a jump of logic and am treating you as the Dr. did your example patient, but I do not feel it was a jump of logic. Mostly because of the repeted accusations. I do admit I was faulty on a point. I should have asked if the repeted accusations were from the same individual. If they were then I appologize and admit I made a logic jump. But if they were from several different individuals, then I do not think my jump was illogical. I am sorry that you are involved with all this, but maybe a change to an all male work environment is what is needed. John L. Racher RN, BSN, MSRN-BC
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Well, The past few posts from the originator have left me shaking my head. First, no one is saying male discrimination is not at work in this country and many others. What I find amusing about your complaint is this...female discrimination has been going on for decades...when was the last time you stood up in defense of a woman who was falsely accused or discriminated against. For a very very very long time in this country nursing was one of if not the only professional career a woman could enter into and be accepted. For that matter, during the infancy of nursing, it wasn't such a glamorous field to be in. Still to this day, female nurses are harassed by patients and other male co workers, or do you somehow not see this in your job? If that's the case, then I suggest you look more closely at your working environment. I can't help but feel that you have the "poor me" syndrome going on here. What's even more concerning is the amount of men in your life whom you say have also been falsely accused. In the past, I have worked in very male dominated fields and I cannot think of one incidence of false accusations toward any of them. Why? I'm guessing because they conduct themselves in a professional manner and do not leave any room for speculation. You chose to work in what is widely know to be a female dominated field, however, that doesn't mean there is no place for you there. At this point, I feel your attitude is so negative that there may be no coming back. Furthermore, I must say I respectfully disagree with your comment regarding perception. An individuals perception of an event or situation, is in fact most certainly THEIR REALITY, it may not be your reality, or my reality, but it is theirs. Just because it doesn't match your perception, which is in fact YOUR REALITY does not mean it is wrong. ~ Laugh as much as you breath and love as long as you live ~ |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago John I failed demonstrate to you that a consensus of opinion does not equal a truth, and that one should never assume so. Sometimes the lone dissenter maybe the only truthful one in the bunch. I'll give you one last example to clarify my point. My friend had this patient once, that was considered by the staff to be catankerous. Each nurse would pass along that he was rude. She wondered why he was rude and so she asked him open ended questions. After a little while of probing she found out he was A)in moderate pain and B)in nicotine withdrawal (it was marked he was a non-smoker and he had denied pain in his initial assessment). She got him a patch and analgesics, and she saw a noticable change in his demeanor. He had a few nurses before, but each one had just passed off his behaviors as being a "grouchy old man". The stories that I have heard like this in my lifetime has taught me never to take the opinions of anyone at face value. I want people to think and understand that opinion is not evidence and jumping to conclusions based on a group opinion is a failure to reason and critically think. |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Solitas777, the problem is you have give good examples of why a concensus of opinion does not equal a truth, but you never gave any examples of what actually happened to you except to say you were falsely accused. How can we think and make an informed decision if all you tell us is that it was repeated accusations with no details? Aisha, you are correct. Female discrimination has been going on for a lot longer and in all professions. Also sexual harrassment of females. You do not often hear of females sexually harrassing men. At least not as often as the other way around. I know solitas777 thinks everyone is jumping to conclusions but after all, like the old saying goes.....if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck. I just can not believe that one person would have multiple accusations by different people if nothing happened. John L. Racher RN, BSN, MSRN-BC
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Sometimes men are discriminated against, sometimes women are discriminated against, sometimes people make false accusations, sometimes people make nasty comments about one another at work, sometimes people are rude or just plain nuts..... I have worked in about 22 full time jobs in various fields, including police officer, firefighter, US Navy, US Army, trial lawyer, Registered Nurse, storage facility manager, private detective, gas station attendent, custodian, Federal social insurance representative, etc. etc. In my own experience I've never seen any of those things "widespread" - if I did, or if the work atmosphere was so terrible, I would look for another job. But that never happened. I don't think I was just "Lucky," I think my experience over the past 40 years has been typical. Bad stuff has sometimes happened - I suck it up and get on with my job. I think nurseaisha makes some good points. |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Well, if nothing else, I'm learning a new language from GITANO! ~ Laugh as much as you breath and love as long as you live ~ |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago I'll post details when it's completely done. I'm dissapointed but unsurprised by the reactions I recieved. Some did not jump to conclusions and were open minded, and so I respected that and thank you for your critical ability to think. I'm sure your patients are thankful for that. It's never a good thing to jump to conclusions with limited data. Others unfortunately fell into preconcieved notions and personal prejudices based on their own personal experiences or lack of experiences. I liked nursing and I'm somewhat glad my license is good and unencumbered, but I suppose my heart isn't in it anymore. I got into law school but maybe I'll just take a break and spend a couple years on the beach vegging out. |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago Best of luck to you whatever you deceide |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago With all due respect, if I recall, your original post was asking for assistance regarding the problems you were dealing with. Throughout this entire thread we have been asking you for more information in an attempt to give you the best possible advice we could. You have refused to provide any details. We are STILL waiting for you to answer the question, "what laws do you find unfair?" You want people to think critically, but you unfortunately have painted yourself into a corner by not being forthcoming. When an individual hides information or is unwilling to share even small details, it doesn't take long for others to begin to question their motives, or better yet their own role in the problems they are encountering. When asking for advice, you have to be open to ALL advice, not just the advice you were hoping to hear. I do wish you luck in the future with any endeavors. ~ Laugh as much as you breath and love as long as you live ~ |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago nurseaiaha you are correct. He never gave any more information. I do not think he really wants any assistance with this problem. If he did, he would explain it all. I think I am going to stop watching this topic and go on to forums where people really need help. John L. Racher RN, BSN, MSRN-BC
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| Posted almost 3 years ago solitas777 says ...
Then go where your heart is, we wish you the best "happiness depends upon ourselves" |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago wah wah wah, too bad for you, go work construction or be a garbage man, maybe women are sick of working with lazy male nurses who complain about being in a female dominated field THAT THEY CHOSE TO GO INTO!!! |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago ouch |
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| Posted almost 3 years ago WOWZERS! Wasn't expecting that, but then again, the poster might have a point......albeit a harsh one. ~ Laugh as much as you breath and love as long as you live ~ |


