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whats the diiferenece between a doctor and RN Masters?
Doctor or Nurses practioner?

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Physicians complete a 4 year program after college that ends with a Doctor of Medicine (MD) or Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) degree. They then complete an internship and residency program in a specialty field of medicine: Family Practice, Surgery, Emergency Medicine, etc. They take a licensing examination (Boards) and are licensed by the state to practice medicine. They can diagnose and treat all sorts of illnesses, though there are some restrictions based on specialty.

Nurse practitioners (NPs) are Registered Nurses who complete a Master's level program in a specialty area: Family Practice, Adult Practice, Geriatrics, Pediatrics, Midwifery, or Anesthesia. They hold a license to practice nursing, and are also certified as nurse practitioners. They can diagnose and treat many illnesses, and their care includes not only the practice of nursing, but some over lap into the practice of medicine as well. However, NP's practice is focused on wellness while physicians are medical scientists interested chiefly in the study of disease and its treatment. NPs focus on illness prevention, and the holistic care of the person, well or ill.

Nurse practitioners have limitations on their practice, and their practice is overseen somewhat by a physician partner. However, NPs have their own licenses and do have considerable independance from doctors.

Physician assistants are usually Master's prepared (tho there are some BS programs still around) health care providers. They can diagnose and treat minor illnesses and injuries, and can be trained to assist specialists such as orthopedists or surgeons. They often take on rounds, admissions, and assist with treatment of patients. They work under the direct supervision of physicians and have no independance in their practice. They hold a certification, not a license. They cannot operate outside the practice of their physician employer, unlike NPs. They do not have to have any prior health care experience, though many PAs are former paramedics.

NPs are great if you want a personal touch in your health care. They are good at talking to patients and their families, and establishing strong relationships with their patients. Their experience as nurses gives them an edge over PAs, IMHO. PAs can have good bedside manners, but they often miss nuances that allow them to diagnose and treat effectively, unless they have a lot of experience.

Physicians are who you want to go to if you have complicated illnesses that require careful management. NPs can manage many chronic illnesses such as diabetes or heart disease, but physicians have greater training in other disease processes for those who are seriously ill. However, NPs do work closely with physcians in the treatment of all kinds of disease so your milage may vary. And many physicians still have great bedside manners and are involved with their patients.

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Thela you didi a great job explainign each of these.

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thela: fantastic job of explaining the roles.

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I want to see an NP.

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I would rather see an NP, too. Although I have known some good PAs, I am still not all that crazy to see on for medical care.

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I have known very few PAs that I would trust to treat me or my family. Those few are the ones I have gotten to know by working with them. I have been treated by incompetent PAs (one misdiagnosed my first kidney stone as constipation despite a classic presentation, and in spite of the fact I was still in severe pain after an enema), and another PA nearly killed a good friend of mine who had a textbook case of appendicitis but ignored his symptoms for 5 hours until I pounded on the desk at the nursing station and insisted he call a surgeon (who took my friend to the OR 5 minutes after seeing him, and later told me another hour and the appendix would have burst).

A couple of years ago, I was working in my local ER when a patient came in with "chest pain." When I did my assessment, it turned out to be textbook gallbladder symptoms (RUQ pain, n/v after eating, etc). I carefully documented my findings, and informed the PA student who would be seeing the patient. She went in the room, came out five minutes later and said she was discharging the patient. I was flabbergasted. She said she'd looked at the EKG, and it was normal, so no workup was needed, no labs, no nothing. I went to the ER doc supervising her and complained. He went in and saw the patient, and backed up the student. I was pretty upset: it did not please me to do a full assessment and have my findings completely discounted. The next day the patient returned to the ER and went to the OR to have his gallbladder removed.

When I established myself with a new physician last year, I insisted on the MD. I won't ever allow a PA to treat me again.