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Me_n_scott_july_20__2008_max50

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Hi Everyone!
I am sure you have all heard about the Heath Ledger incident. Well, I was reading an article about the tox screen that came back and it said he had oxycodone,hydrocone, sleeping pills and anti-anxiety medications (i believe it was valium). Any way, they are calling his death "accidental" because that is what the doctor prescribed to him?! correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you think giving that kind of medication all at the same time- would cause some sorts of issues? Maybe its just me, but I don't think it was at all accidental

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Maybe he had some old meds lying around. Maybe he got them from different docs and/or different pharmacies?

Me_n_scott_july_20__2008_max50

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That is possible- i just re-read the article and it doesn't specify that at all- it also says the dosages of each individually would have been safe, but combining them made them lethal. Here is the link :
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/ar/_a/ledgers-death-an-accidental-overdose/20080206102509990001

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When the initial announcement of his death was made, it was stated medication bottles from several different physicians some based in Europe. He had access to the medical community all over the world because of his work. He was desperate for sleep, he had stated he was sleeping less than two hours a night in an article written just before his death. He had been hurt on one of the sets. He had been treated for anxiety. Do I believe this was accidental? Yes I do. Who is responsible? I think Heath himself has some responsibility for not communicating prescriptions he had received from other physicians. Perhaps even researching combining those drugs. The medical community for not having the same standards of practice around the world. Pharmaceutical manufacturers for lack of education available. I think all of the above are responsible, don't you?

Nana_and_grandkids_minus_noah_max50

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OK- even if he got prescriptions from different doctors, didn't he have enough common sense not to take them all together? Or maybe he was so loopy (from the medication) that he didn't realize how many he had taken?? We will never know for sure. It is a tragedy, whatever the reason.

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Ledger may or may not have had valid prescriptions. Many patient "doctor hop" to increase their supply of drugs, and physicians don't always catch on. Prescription drug abuse is rampant in this country, and many people do NOT understand how dangerous mixing these medications can be. It is likely Ledger took too much of these medications in an effort to cope with some issue, and unintenionally overdosed.

He had just finished a very stressful role playing the Joker for the new Batman movie. One report I heard was that he consulted with Jack Nicolson regarding the role, and that Nicolson warned Ledger that the character could be overwhelming. There's no way to know whether or not that had any effect. Since he didn't have a history of self destructive behavior that I know of, I'll settle for the accidental overdose.

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I too think it was accidental. Here in WV there is a computerized database for narcotics. Doctors, ER's and pharmacies can enter the patient's social security number and wham... whole list of meds rx'd by who and when and where filled. Many physicians are using this to check if patient is a "drug seeker". I thought this was to be nationwide soon.

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I do know that it is extremely easy to get narcotic painkillers in Europe... in Ukraine, it's even possible to buy codeine+caffeine seltzer tablets over the counter. If he was spending time in Europe but living in Australia or USA, I'm just assuming that the doctors proscribing him OxyContin and hydrocodone (Vicodin) didn't have an extended and committed relationship with their patient.

Regardless, if it was an "accidental" overdose, Heath Ledger should have been smart enough not to mix multiple powerful opiate medications with sleeping pills.

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Seriously? If he was getting less than two hours of sleep every night can you imagine the stupor he was in. Add that to the fact that he appeared to be a very high-strung individual in the first place; he was probably not functioning well at all. Most of us can't think clearly on one bad night of sleep. I agree with Charlita that he could have been out of it (lack of sleep & meds combo) and either lost track of time or meds and inadvertently took a lethal dose. I think for the lay person it would be easy to mix a couple of drugs at the recommended dose and not be fearful of the possibility of never waking up. Pharmacology really opened my eyes to this stuff. dmazement: I couldn't agree more with your post; well put.

Personally, I would be uncomfortable speculating anything further, since the intention of this can't be proven I would like to give him the benefit of the doubt; that this was a tragic mistake that was unintentional. What a disappointing loss.

Happy_little_elf2_max50

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CJRN said:

I too think it was accidental. Here in WV there is a computerized database for narcotics. Doctors, ER's and pharmacies can enter the patient's social security number and wham... whole list of meds rx'd by who and when and where filled. Many physicians are using this to check if patient is a "drug seeker". I thought this was to be nationwide soon.

Very cool. I wasn't aware this was out there. Great tool/resource.

Dscf0350_max50

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I think being able to check such a system will help providers cut down on prescription drug abuse. At least I hope so. These drugs are controlled for a reason. Of course some patients have legit needs, but if they are playing the system to get drugs then they need intervention and help, and a system like this could alert a physciian to this.

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Everyone is right, look at Elvis Presley, they say he was getting prescriptions from everybody. He was taking powerful sedatives, and painkillers, look at him, he was so impacted, that he died on the toilet. What a waste of a life.


I am a proud mother of three beautyful daughter. I currently live in Los Angeles California. I've worked as a heathecare provider for almost 10 years. I am curently in school to pursue my MSN in nursing, and wants to work as a pediactric nurse, in public health.

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Working in California was scarey, the patients took many meds. I would get in trouble for not giving everything that was ordered for the patients. If the doctor ordered it we were to give it. I would hold my breath and pray the patients would be alive with the hourly checks. These people would get the scheduled ms contin or oxycontin, percocet, hyprocodone scheduled for break through, then if they had break through with this then we had the demerol or ms. Then we had the ones on methadone for other reasons. Then the ones with anxiety we gave the ativan or xanax, AND then on top of that they couldn't sleep sooo...ambien, halcion and not just a little bit but enough to drop a cow. I totally believe in pain control, to the max I never question someones pain. But, this place was unreal, I worried all the time. I would try to educate and that never went over, some people would say they would try it but within 15 minutes the pain or anxiety was out of control. I'm just glad I don't deal with it where I'm living at now.


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Demetrice_029

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It depends on the level of pain though. I can see a patient coming out of surgery, his pain is intolerable, but a person that has been out of post op for a week, come on. I have seen doctor's that are so obsessed over writing orders, that they don't realize half the time what they have writen, trust me I'm a Unit Clerk. Some of the stuff they write, the patient doesn't need, what's wrong with a PCA pump so the patient can have controlled dosages, if they are in so much pain, come on.


I am a proud mother of three beautyful daughter. I currently live in Los Angeles California. I've worked as a heathecare provider for almost 10 years. I am curently in school to pursue my MSN in nursing, and wants to work as a pediactric nurse, in public health.

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I think it was just easier to give the patients everything they want, less hassle or confrontations to deal with for the doctors. Maybe it's easier to tell the nurse we are wrong, than teaching the patient. These were patients on TCU and acute reahab.


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Demetrice_029

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Like I said obsession with power. I see it all the time. The nurses are the doctors front lines man, we do all the leg work, and we are at more of risk for abuse, from the patients, families, and even doctors.


I am a proud mother of three beautyful daughter. I currently live in Los Angeles California. I've worked as a heathecare provider for almost 10 years. I am curently in school to pursue my MSN in nursing, and wants to work as a pediactric nurse, in public health.

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Amen


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Demetrice_029

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I know how you feel squirmals, my input as a hospital technician didn't have any bearing one time a patient was sent to ICU, because he started to desat in oxygen. I told the nurse that he was totally reliant on oxygen, you just can't move him, without the nasal canula. She took another nurse advice over mine, that wasn't part of the patients care. I told them both don't move the patient without his nasal canula. They move the patient anyway, and the patient, ended up in ICU. I know how you feel, you felt that your voice wasn't useful, because he is a doctor, and you are just a nurse. Patient safety is a nurse first priority, that's what we are trained in the hoilistic part of things. Trust me I know!!!!


I am a proud mother of three beautyful daughter. I currently live in Los Angeles California. I've worked as a heathecare provider for almost 10 years. I am curently in school to pursue my MSN in nursing, and wants to work as a pediactric nurse, in public health.