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Posted almost 2 years ago I work for a company that is termination happy. I started a new job back in Dec 2010. Since then they have fired 7 people. Mostly for trivial things. Three have wrongful termination cases agaist them. This company also likes to demote people as well. When I was given my 90 days evaluation it was the worst one I ever received. They put statements on the eval that where not true. I was recently written up for medication not being in the cart(I am suppose to be an Assistant Program Director). The medications where ordered and the pharmacy did not send them. I do not give out the medication the PCAs do. That was only one item on the write up. They also have written up the staff for dum things. Example: a PCA boyfriend came on the site for some money. He never came in the girl ran out and handed him the cash. She was written up for that. I could go on and on. I do not understand any of the disfunction and I am looking for employment elsewhere. I do not want to be their next main course. I know people in healthcare can be nasty, but, this takes the case. I am documenting everything to cover my behind. But, I feel very uneasy waiting to be the next one sent packing. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago To add to the reply; I was also told in my write up that every call that I get when I am on call I am to call my boss and she will help me make a decision. How insulting is that? Why do they have me on call if I am not permitted to make a decision. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago " And they say that Medical Dramas are purely ficticious ?" |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Ouch, this one is a disaster waiting to happen..Unfortunately there are places like this..Where do you live? I live in Florida and that means "it's a right to work state" What that is ,is an em[ployer can terminate you for any reason including the sun not shining, your eye color etc.. Pick a reason.. The only thing we can do if fired is to go for unemployment..It's usually turned doen the 1st time, but then you'll get a medeator to assist. Then you will usually get it.. Just incase though, do your self a huge favor and document every thing. You can also with those other women can take him to court for wrongful termination. Is your boss the director of this establishment.. Does she have a boss. If you find that there is one, you can go to her boss ond on up.. Just keep it in the chain of command. I just with my husband, and he states that is the way some place run so they can hirer cheaper employees. As for your 90 day eval., Neither of us would of signed it.. I am also going to send this to Dr. Tom and see what he can tell us. Hugs,Teresa |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago I live in PA. Also an at will state. Yes, my supervisor has a supervisor. However, they stick together like the double mint twins. What my supervisor does is reports to her and they decided to write me up. Never spoke with me or even asked my side of things. Just a written warning was given to me. And yes I am documenting every thing. From conversations to emails. I have kept a copy of my evaluation and the written warning. All based mostly on false information. I never was treated so poorly in any job that I had. I am looking for employment elsewhere, however, I am waiting for the other shoe to drop. And what documentation I do have I know I would win unemployment. Thank you so much for your help and concern. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago What a truly crappy situation. I would dust-off my resume' and start looking for a different place to work. First, yes, document everything, including date, time, anyone who may have witnessed the situation. On the whole, this is a morale buster of an organization. If they are lying on your evaluation, I would not try to walk out, I would try to run out of that place as soon as I could afford to do it. If they do that kind of crap, you could lose your license and maybe do jail time, if they accuse you of taking drugs or something like that. The type of organization can play with how you can approach this situation. If it is governmental or has a union, you can go through the governmental higher-ups/union bosses to find some help. NGO's (Non-Governmental Organizations) can be really tricky. First split is Profit or Not-for-Profit. If there is a board of directors, an appeal to them (have your evidence together and solid). If the corporate culture is coming from the Board, you know what they say about snowballs-in-Hell? Not-for-Profits tend to be more rare in the USA, but they want to keep a good name, because if they are dragged into a labor issue for poor business practices, it plays havoc on their donors and how much they give in donations to the organization (if I hear that some outfit I donate to is having administrative problems, I look for someplace else to donate my money.) Sorry, that I can only contribute these few ramblings. Knowing the type of organization it is and how they get their money makes a big difference in where this conversation can go. I had a terrible Director (he was hired on a 1 year probation-which for physicians in the government usually is just a formality). I was working on my PhD in Health Care Management and was taking a course in Total Quality Management. I wrote a paper that was about 15-20 pages long describing the situation in my division, the effect that he had on morale, the support that we were finally getting from the FDA Commissioner and Congress and what was happening and what should be happening. No names, just generalities. One of the senior physician reviewers who I spoke with frequently, had read the paper and knew that I got an A+ for the paper and in the course. Also, he knew who I was talking about in the paper. He copied my paper and took it to the Office Director in charge of hiring this guy. It turned out, my paper was the damning evidence that caused that physician not to be offered a permanent position. Anyway, the type of organization and where your boss fits in the organization, as Teresa had said, would help for us to flesh-out this problem further. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago You sent in your response when I was typing mine. I think you identified a real problem with your organization, two power-freaks in a place to play with their power. The fact that the higher boss doesn't do a proper follow-up with you to get details means: (a) Power Tripping and/or (b) Incompotent. They have no apparent interest in the welfare of the organization that they are supposed to be managing (which, for me as a manager, pisses me off). That IS their job and they are not doing it. As you document, document the people who were fired (names if you have them) and anything that directly implicates their not do the job that they are hired to do. That would be an interesting document for their shareholders or owners. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Anonymous says ...
yeah, that sort of defeats the purpose. It may seem difficult to walk away @ first but what a relief, seriously! Keep records on everything, they will owe you for wrongful termination! |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Thank you all for responding to this forum.. We all seem to have just about the same response.. So now it's up to you, Staay or not, just remember to document.. I'm not sure of your title, but as a nurse, I teach , if it's not documented, it wasn't done..I wish you the very best of luck, and god Bless you during this time of indifference.. Hugs,Teresa Please keep us posted...(Also Thanks for responding Tom..) |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago For what it's worth: My son was in a crappy situation at his work and he was coming home with high anxiety. It was not worth it to his health, physically or mentally. I told him to call in and find someone else to threaten and abuse (not exactly those words, but you get the idea.) Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Thank you for your responses and advice. I will continue to look for employment elsewhere and documemt everything. As soon as I do find employment elsewhere I will contact the State. I fear if I report them know I surley will get the ax. I do not understand why people can be so hateful. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago You would think that adults could work together and get along. I love my chosen profession, but it seems that back-biting and back-stabbing is the order of the day. All you can do in a situation such as this one is DOCUMENT,DOCUMENT, and DOCUMENT!!!! It makes no sense to me to write someone up for meds not being given when pharmacy didn't deliver them. I hope things will get better for you, but I don't see it happening! I say cover your butt in all instances while working at this facility, because I see an accident waiting to happen. I hope my 2 cents helps. GOOD LUCK and GOD BLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Just am afterthought regarding documentation, I still carry a few documents with me that are 30 years old. What you have to remember, When you get to be my age, you have more too lose. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago As I havebeen reading through the documentation that I have. I noticed several mistruths. I document every conversation that is important. I am covering my a$$. It seems to me that they get off on treating people this way. ANd if for some reason I too get the AX I will have enough documentation to sue for wrongful termination. Thank you for your thoughts and advice. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Quess what Iwas terminated today because I told the Staff to call 911 for a client who threatened to kill herself. They said she was attention seeking. The other reason was I reported a medication error to the DPW they stated that I should not have reported it. I have contacted a lawyer for wrongful termination. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Keep us posted..This sucks...Teresa |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago You have done everything right. You're documented, you acted appropriatly in a life-threatening situation and as a nurse, you are required by law to report errors and also any infectious disease you know of. Please keep us posted. It sounds as though, if you have a good lawyer, you have your duck-in-a-row for this case. I have had to do this for disability payments (at least a dozen times in the last decade) and wrongful determinations by the VA and Social Security (it was so much easier when I was working and did not have to worry about this crap). Good Luck and God bless. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago If you can print this string out, your lawyer might be interested in the chronology and the opinions of other professional nurses. Just something to keep in mind. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago The funny thing is that on the termination letter it stated that I was terminated because I called 911 and did not go into assess her. I was told my my former idiot boss that I should have known that she was seeking attention. It also stated on the letter that I reported a missed dose of Ativan to the DPW without getting my supervisors permission. I was hired as an assistant program director(Administrator). They where stupid enough to have it all in writing. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago What I'm trying to understand is why you would need a supervisor's permission to report a dose of missed Ativan?????? You were hired as Assistant Program Director/ Administrator, and I'm assuming you had authority to make important decisions, right??? How in the heck is this facility and incompetent staff still up and running??? I can't get my mind wrapped around firing someone for calling 911 when someone is threatening to kill themselves? Come on, she may have been dead before you got around to assessing her! It's just OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago I know it take me 1/2 hour to get there. I was hired to make judgement calls and every call I made I was told it was the wrong call. As for the medication error, when I reported the error DPW called the site to ask questions. I found two medication errors on this resident. This was the same resident that said she wanted to kill herself. I think they are afraid if DPW comes in to investigate it would open a can of worms. I called the DPW anyway to report them. Also, my immiate boss was upset that the staff would come to me and I would fix things for them. Like the schedule that she kept screwing up. The staff would tell me things about their personal life and include me in alot of things. The staff could not stand the Administrator and she knew it. I feel I was set up because she was afraid she would loose her job. This chick has serious issues and can not make a decision without calling our boss. Hopefully what I reported to the DPW will get them in enough trouble that a change for the better will come. I feel sorry for the residents that reside there. And of course the staff. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago I do not know how egregious your supervisors decisions were, but if she is a nurse, it would be something to flag the state Board of Nursing about this behavior and how the supervisors professional practice may be endangering patients. Her behavior may not reach the tipping point, but I would personally feel better if a third party would poke their heads into the situation and make sure that nothing that bad is happening. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Look here, aside from teaching nursing, I also teach CPT, 1st Aid ACLS and PALS<etc, I always tell people that i teach donot ovr tax the ER is you could be driven there. However, If in doubt, Sall 911. It sure beats a death and a major lawsuit..It will also be a blemish on your file, because you knew better..I would get the healthe dept, the county, the stat and the BON on this in a New York minute..Please be careful..Hugs,Teresa |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Please direguard the above post..I think I had a brain spasm and for got to know how to spell. So:I am a nurse and instructire. I was trrying to say that if you are not severly injured, you can take you own vehicl or a friends. However all of my student are taught to use 911. It's better to cal lif you don't know what to dol Remember you are liable to this situation..Amd don't this the facility will back you up..I qwould be calling the health department, the county, The state , and The Bon.Tis would be done the first time I saw it, I would have called in a NY minute..Please be careful and guard your self..Go Bless and Good luck. Please keep meposted on the events...Hugs,Teresa |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago I just got back from a lawyers appointment. He thinks I can file suit on the whistle blowers act. Because I reported the medication error(one of the reasons they terminated me)to the DPW. Also in their Employee handbook it clearly reads that ALL employees must report all medication errors to the DPW. I have already called the DPW and formed a complaint agaist them. I know lots of dirt and let them know it all. Also it stated in my job describtion that I am to report all medication errors to the DPW. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Sounds like you are off to a great start. Congratulations. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Sounds like you are off to a great start. Congratulations. Tom |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago Cool Beans, Good going...Hugs,Teresa |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago I went to the PA DPW web site and read up on all their codes. I found 20 codes that this placehas violated. I reported everyone. I do not care that I reported them twice those unethical jerks deserve it. Even if they only get One defincey then at least that is a start. |
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| Posted almost 2 years ago If they investigate even one of the complaints and the investigators are worth their salt, they will pick up on many other things and if they start finding more as they look, they will dig deep. Two reasons, one is that is what their job is and they should protect the public and the other (not as glamorous) is that it is easier to go after a sure thing, than go chasing maybe investigations. The ball is rolling. Talk to you lawyer about what his/her strategy is to protect you. The company you left will find their own lawyer and use their "evidence" to go after you and try to discredit you ( and trying to get the attention off of them). Just make sure your lawyer is on top of it. Tom
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