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Posted about 5 years ago As I was doing some research for a project on death and dying, I ran across this poem from "For a Time of Sorrow" (H. Thurman, Meditations of the Heart) I share with you the agony of your grief,
This is something that I want to keep in mind when I'm dealing with families who have lost a loved one. Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Here's another quote I found that really hit home for me for the terminally ill client. Cicely Saunders, founder of St. Christopher's Hospice in London and initiator of the modern hospice movement, said that dying persons ask three things of their caregivers: (1) "Help me" (minimize my distress)
As caregivers we need to remember that everyone deserves to die with dignity. No one should have to die alone. Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Thanks kendbeef for stsrting this post. We need to keep this in mind. It is amazing how many nurses do not want to talk about death. Death is a pat of life and we need to be comfortable speaking to our patients about death. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Thanks kendbeef, I agree wholeheartedly with you and cd.We cannot run or hide from death, it finds us all. Would we as caregivers want to die alone?I have only worked with the elderly and terminally ill and the three things asked of caregivers is so true. I always try to put myself in other peoples shoes, so that I may better understand where they are coming from, it has helped me connect and earn the trust of many wonderful people throughout my life!!! I hope I never lose the ability to do that or become so hard and callous that I have the attitude that it's just another day. I would leave the medical profession before I would treat a patient like that. Thank you for this topic. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Thank you for kendbeef for your posts. They are lovely sentiments and ones that we as nurses need to embrace. (and never forget) |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Studying about death and dying has really opened my eyes and given me more confidence on what to say and not say to someone who has lost a loved one. My husband had a little brother who was killed in a farming accident when he was 4. My in-laws went on to start the local chapter of Compassionate Friends in our county. About a year ago we had some friends who lost their 16 y/o son in an MVA. I asked my mother-in-law what should I say to my friends, I can't say I understand how you feel, because I haven't lost a child. She told me that they best thing you can say is "I'm so sorry for you loss" and just be there to listen. I think that as nurses we should never forget to "listen to our patient". The hospital may be full and you have more than your share of patients but don't ever let a patient think that you don't have time for them. Even if you have to tell them that you'll come back...do so...and then make sure you go back and listen to them. I see too many people in the medical profession who are in it for all the wrong reasons. I'm so thankful for this website because everyone on here is so encouraging and you can tell that you all are in your professions for all the right reasons. God Bless! Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago The first time I saw the poem "For A Time Of Sorrow" was at the hospice facility where my father stayed for the last week of his life. Someone had beautifully written it, as a work of art on their entrance wall. It touched me then, it touches me now. Thank you kendbeef for posting it. Now I know who wrote it and where I can find it. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago I used to fear death, until one person on here reminded me what its about and how to handle it properly, since then I have had a close relative die- well, she not exactly a biological realative, but we both considered each other as such...unfortunately I couldnt make it to the funeral... but I was warm in spirit knowing that she was comfortable and ready to go, she made that very firm to us, she was 103 years old. She lived a head strong life, she married a great man, she had beautiful children and raised them with pride. Dignity, is the first gift as medical professionals that we can give someone who is preparing to go to their final destination. We must be adement and determined to strive to be comfortable with death. As I write this I think to myself about how I used to feel, but one day I may just have to relay the news with a doctor to a patient, and that doesn't scare me anymore. Because without a guarantee of death, we cannot be comfortable with living. Everyone will pass, its just life, but with every passing comes another life. And when one dies, they leave behind a silent legacy which must be kept alive, through good memories, warm heart, a guiding light for the blind, and so on. Death is mearly living. To me, now, dying is a priveledge. It hurts loved ones, however, it is a spirit embarking on a new, healthier, and awesome life. I used to think of heaven in my own way, heaven was a huge bowling alley, and when a new person arrives, everyone teams up and everybody wins. Life is kind of like a tournament, win some, lose some and learn some. Things that cannot be taken back happen daily. the paitents who pass, should be carefree and not absorbed in sorrow, and neither should the families, we should be happy for those people, and be humble when sharing this kind of news to the families. Sure, its a challenge and obstacle, but remember how we are helping the families and the patient become more apt to being comfortable with preperation and kindess, but yet being ginger enough not to scare or make those doubt. Death isnt supposed to be a scary thing, but a happy thing. thank you kendbeef for a wonderful and uplifting post and to everyone who has posted thereafter. I learned something tonight. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago This was in the paper today/The Virginian Pilot March 2 2008 Dear Carolyn, I was recently diagnosed with cancer and have been dutifully, if miserably, going through treatment. The prognosis? Who knows? The whole "every day is a gift" thing has somewhat cruelly, and somewhat wonderfully, become a daily, waking thought.. How do I get the people in my life to confess out loud that this could and in all liklihood, will, kill me? Everyone around me is insisting on being optimistic. I try to talk to them about what will happen to my things, and what their plans are if and when I die of this. But they stick their heads in the sand and refuse to have the conversation. I could die from this. I will die someday. These are both facts. So why will no one discuss it with me? Dear Reader:I am sorry about the cancer and the miserable treatments and, in the spirit of your question, I am even more sorry that your well-meaning but cowardly intimates have left you no choice but to suffer alone. Your question is why? And my answer is I don't know. I can guess, though. You live in a society that can't get enough of fictional death, but prefers the real thing to be pat, antiseptic and offstage. You probably can't call people cowards as easily as I can-you want openness about your impending demise, after all, not enthusiasm. However, I do think you want to use almost that level of bluntness to get your point across. As your "somewhat wonderfully" observation suggests, you have clarity, urgency and courage on your side. Gather these up, then recruit two more allies, specificity and selectivity.*************I think the reader's letter expresses all too well how some patient's feel in this situation. She is brutally honest and has faced her fears. The answer to her letter leaves alot to be desired. She really didin't give her any suggestions except to be honest and forthright with her family members. And she had already tried that. It's hard to tell someone in this situation what to do. We never know how we will react until we are in that situation ourselves. I thought this would was good subject matter on the above topic. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Charlita, you are right. This courageous woman needs her family now more than ever. I wonder if she's talked to her doctors about this. It's really sad. Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago I know there are 5 stages of death and dying. Some go through all 5 stages and some only a few. It seems that the woman with cancer in Charlita story is already in the acceptance of it when her family hasn't gotten that far. They are still in denial. I guess the patient as well as the family goes through these stages and unfortunately they may be at different stages. Maybe the family feels that the woman is giving up and is losing her desire to live and that they would feel they are giving up on her if they accept what she is saying. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Her family may never get to acceptance. People go through the stages of grieving at different speeds, and many never accept the prognosis. Some go back and forth between stages. And that's all OK. Many family members don't know how to approach the death of a loved one. By ignoring it, they don't have to face it. This lady is a perfect candidate for hospice, but many patients and/or their families don't seek hospice care because they believe it means they are "giving up." In reality what hospice strives to do is to provide relief from suffering, support through the dying process, and to help the patient and family enjoy as high a quality of life as possible. Carolyn's response to the reader does fall short: she urges the patient to force the truth about her situation on family members who may not be ready. They are not cowards even though Carolyn is right in her assessment about how we as a society view death. The patient needs counseling and support: through her pastor, a professional counselor, hospice, or a support group. She does need to be honest and open with her family but she cannot force them to accept the situation before they are ready. The best she can hope for is that if her family or friends can't/won't support her, that she can find a substitute. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago I agree with theala. Hospice supports not only the patient but the family...unfortunately, your prognosis is that you will die within 6 months. This has got to be a tough situation....for the patient and the family. Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago What a great post kend!! Its funny how you find the words you need when you need them most.. This is one of the reasons i went into nursing, when i had my daughter they were down right nasty, but when my father passed the icu nurse had also lost her father years before, you could see the hurt in her eyes for me and my brother, its nice when you can have compassion and someone who has been threw it help you threw your pain as well.. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago For a very long time, we as caregivers have supported positive thinking in wellness. I often wonder if we have done a disservice to patients and their families through this time and have helped create this overwhelming wave of denial.
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| Posted about 5 years ago here is a quote I am not sure where I found it but it really touches home to all nurses "People will forget what you said, people will forget what you did. But people will never forget how you made them feel." |
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| Posted about 5 years ago tdjrn I've head that saying before, and it really touched me now as well as it did the first time I read it. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago All I have to add to all the great post is: Thank you for being my friends. Thank you for being great caregivers.
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| Posted about 5 years ago Speaking of death,my sister in law was diagnosis with cancer(sarcoma)
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| Posted about 5 years ago Pamelab said: Pamelab: I am so sorry to hear that.....will keep your family in my prayers. Stacie |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Thanx,prayers always seem to help.those few kind words from a total stranger mean so
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| Posted about 5 years ago Pamelab my father just passed away about a year ago from cancer, You may not think you are doing enough, but just being there ,holding a hand, or listening is more helpful they people think. god bless |
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| Posted about 5 years ago Pamelab, like was said, all you can do is be there, that may not seem like much, but you will eventually realize what it means. I stood for 4 days and watched as my father-in-law passed from complications of Parkinson's and Alzheimer's. The hospice nurse told the family "him being athome with you all around him is the best thing he could have" she then pulled me aside, told me she could tell I have a nursing background and to "let go of the professional side" We had a long talk about death and dying and the difference between my "line of work" and hospice, most of what I deal with is painful at best, this was actually "new" to me. Barb's mom, an RN of 50 + years and I were the ones to pronounce the morning of Aug. 26th.
Barb's tribute to her mom Moms are supposed to live forever
She kisses away all of our hurts
And as we grow through the years
But as years pass and we both grow
To be there so she's never alone
I sit with you now
I hold your hand and kiss your cheek
With my head on your shoulder I quietly cry
I love you mom And verily, verily I say unto thee that some day it shall come to pass that from the earth there shall come a thundering roar, fire and smoke, and from the darkness, fire and smoke an Angel shall rise. Thou cannot speaketh his name for Hell follows him |
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| Posted about 5 years ago My father lived about six years longer than his cardiologist thought he would. He had severe heart disease, brought about mostly from him having a year of recurring strep throat, where he would take his antibiotics until he felt better and stop, only a few weeks later to reoccur. This resulted in rheumatic heart disease. So after 3 heart attacks, quadruple by pass, another single bypass surgery 10 years later, multiple stent placements, AICD pacer, he began to fall. After 19 falls, the last resulting in 50 sutures across his forehead because he hit his head on the sliding door track, he was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. Sinemet worked for two years, then he went down hill very quickly, and he was prescribed a new drug, (which I can not remember right now what it was, it's advertised on tv for restless leg syndome which he also had) This straightened everything around for another another year, but his memory was failing and was then diagnosed with Alzheimers. He lasted another two years, until his last bout with pneumonia and he really went downhill. My step mother hung on, did everything she could to keep him going. When Dad was admitted into a hospice facility for a week's respite care, she heard me tell him, if he was tired of it all, then it was okay. I had told him this for over a year and received this same answer. I can't leave Lida. She heard him and when I left to go take care of a few things, she told him, she loved him and she understood if he was tired and needed to let go. That night he became agitated and hospice called me to come in. He was calling my name and I hurried up and dressed and went to him. He told me he loved me, and to make sure I took care of Lida for awhile. I told him I loved him as well and assured him I would take care of her if she allowed it. An hour after I left that morning to go back to where my travel assignment was he slipped quietly into a coma. When Lida called, I felt I had already said my goodbyes, so I finished out the week, since it was my last one there. Drove back on late friday afternoon. He hung on until 11pm Monday May 16,2004. Everyone had left and I chose to stay so he wouldn't be alone. He took a deep last breath and was gone. I sat there for a half hour, holding his hand and then went out to the nurse's station and told them he was gone. The CNA, Mattie took me in her arms and gave me the hug I needed. The nurse Sherry, did the same. The three of us went to Dad's room and after I called Lida, helped Mattie clean Dad up and get him ready for the family to get there. I miss him very much, but his idea of heaven was an 18 hole golf course, and I hope he plays golf every day with a long stop at the 19th hole, enjoying his single malt scotch. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago dmazment: I read your story and it made me miss my Dad so much. He died at the age of 52 with a MI. I would have loved to have had more years woth him. I was pegnant with my 2nd child when he died. I wish he could hae lived to see all of them. I always thought of him as Superman. He looked like Superman, even with that curl in the middle of his forehead and black hair. I thought he could leap tall buidings with a single bound. He had a great sense of humor and was always joking around.He's been gone 34 years and I still miss him like crazy. Mickey: your wife's poem made me cry. My Mom passed away about 1 1/2 years ago suddenly. I'm still grieving for her. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago char, my mother died April 1,1981 and I miss her every day. Twenty seven years later, the pain is less, but somehow more poignant as I remember her now. Ironically, I pronounced both my parents at their deaths. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago dmazment-that must have been hard to do. I can't imagine doing that. |
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| Posted about 5 years ago No charlita, it was a gift. My mother was surrounded by those who loved her and died in my father's arms, her sister holding her hand and the rest of us standing close. Somewhere in my father's mind, he chose his time. After everyone else left and I was there alone with him, his spirit flew. |