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This is a topic I am very interested in I will explore this topic in a series of post.


My first input is that nurses must be treated properly while working to ensure that there health and happiness and objectivity is   being    maintained


It is imperitive that while caring for others the nurse health and happiness must not be jeopardize this will be my introduction and i will gradually build on this topic.

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griercamlle-In a perfect world, all this would be true.

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Is this for a class paper, news article or a place to get feed back on your ideas and beliefs??

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I don't really know where to go with this.

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What type of facility are you referring to?

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15 to 1? where is this?what is this??


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Stinkin' med carts.  I'm just trying to support you...I've never had to use one. 


Nursing home or LTC facility...maybe?

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My next point to tackle is this I recently had stint working night shift in a hospital. The staff were wonderful, their code of ethics in the work place was marvelous however  I did find a few flaws.


1) I recommend that the computerize system that has been implemented for charting either be imputed by a select person or they develop some technique to prevent the transference from the computer keys bacteria each time different people use the computers, as often times some people may not have washed their hands it should be washed but some dont. 


A  hospital is filled with many bugs. It was reported to me that more than one nurse had come down with pneumonia and a couple had dropped dead. I myself developed a severe sinus infection. My finger also became infected after I had to slide it into a slot to punch in.


I will continue addressing other issues


until next time 


Ps I want to change the eopic from Ethics in the workplace to problem in nursing.


I refer to the ltc( nursing) when addressing patient ratio.

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My next problem to tackle is how does one distinguish the role of the lpn from the cna when your boss says you are there supervisor yet you are punished if they refuse to follow direction and seek retribution against you when you are only trying to do your job. If you are nice they say you are weak if you are strict they say you are overbearing. 


 



This is also every RN's dilemma.  People/coworkers are often to quick to judgement rather than stopping to think things through.  Instead of doing as directed, the thought seems to be they are over worked as if you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. 


It would be excellent if you would respond to some of the questions posed rather than turn this into one person's rant

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Teamwork has to be the key for this and educating everyone into following the proper chain of command.It is very difficult to achieve this but good faculty meetings and mediators can assist with getting everyone on the same page and getting people to all work towards the same goal..."EXCELLANT PATIENT CARE"


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I have found that when one person dictates the way they want it to be in any given facility, and have little or no power to make change,  they become distanced from the way things work.  Change comes slowly to most facilities, unless there has been something catastrophic happen..  If you want things to change no matter where you work be an example first, change will follow the leader.  

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"1) I recommend that the computerize system that has been implemented for charting either be imputed by a select person or they develop some technique to prevent the transference from the computer keys bacteria each time different people use the computers, as often times some people may not have washed their hands it should be washed but some dont. 


A  hospital is filled with many bugs. It was reported to me that more than one nurse had come down with pneumonia and a couple had dropped dead. I myself developed a severe sinus infection. My finger also became infected after I had to slide it into a slot to punch in."


Could you wear gloves while you're doing these things?  To protech yourself and your patients?


 



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I was inspired by this topic because of years of struggle as a nurse.


The challenge of getting the job done properly while not stepping on toes.


The challenge of protecting ones liscense while being judged as demanding........and I will say indeed I have done well in protecting my patients and my liscense but it came with a heavy price.


The ethical question was mostly how do you stand up to those who refuse to help and when they were challenged for impeding proper and correct nursing you or should I say I would face the challenge of defending myself and of course not being given any sympathy by certain bosses.


As one spend more years being a nurse I find that I strieve more and more for perfection and become impatient with mediocore care. I become a nurse of excellence and distinction.....and many people find this annoying.


I guess having a start working as a young lady in the court system having been a teacher and a  mental health tech I became more aware of the legal risk of not doing things according to the book example answering a call light....... I for one was very annoyed at times with a few Cnas who would ignore the light and with my concience unable to ignore ended up doubling my work load as I would often answer the light while doing my assignment and the the strain was unbearable but my complaint would leave me chastised and bruised. 


This would affect my happiness as a nurse. 


My happiness as a nurse was even more affected on one job when a nurse who just graduated got a better evaluation than I because she was younger and more outgoing. I had worked just as hard and had done just as good a job maybe better.


Unhappiness affected me even more when I had helped my company get 0 defficiency only to be threatened with a write up on trumped up insinuation  after i followed protocol was accused of not informing my boss when I had attempted to call her  with no result and was directed by her next in command. The ingratitude and annihilation without memory to efforts or team work bruised me deeply.


I worked so hard I did not take lunch break many days. I worried about the patients and was layol to my company only to be struck down and bashed by a boss who didnot appreciate me and aids who wanted to treat the patient as they felt and a few nurse who felt my light shined too bright.


I was harrassed by abusive aids. I would get no help when I reported them......It was just a nightmare that I struggled with for four years I was asked why did you stick around...because I didnot want to be a looser......but the punishment was unbearable I finally resigned after four years.


Note there were those who did help therefore I know it could have been done but the few who didnot made nursing for me a bad experience which I am getting over slowly.


Proper nursing cannot be accomplished by one person in a fasclity but requires the effort of a team pulling together and when one aspect of the team is hostile and resistive then the challenge becomes tougher. 


 


 

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The question I ask is how can the nurse retain some pleasure in doing her task.


 


How does the nurse perform her duties to the best of her ability while getting along with those who might challenge her when she needs to get her task accomplished.


 


If anyone has answer to these question they may respond. It might be of help to me and others.  


 


 

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I think I should define this topic a little more. How can we improve the treatment of nurses in the work place and how can we improve our working conditions. This is not a new topic but one we can discuss and goals we can aspire to and maybe just maybe with enough beleif and spirittual energy we might see changes. 


There  will be maybe more nurese who have had good experiences but this would be ideally fior those who have met challenges through no fault of there own. 



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I have quite a few stories to tell you and a few possible solution to that.   


#1. Checks and Balances and balances from the nurses aides to the top of the ladder Director of Nursing.  


2.   Hold everyone accountable for their actions. 


3. Constructive Confrontation for effective problem resolution must be done outside the patient's room, away from visitors, staff and must be in a private room. Most importantly, must be done as soon as possible, but not until after both parties have calmed down.  Also, this must be done prior to reporting to a supervisor or head nurse.


4. Multidisciplinary Rounds to include pain management, pastoral care, dietary, primary physician, intensivist,  Nurse Clinician , PT/OT , Speech Therapy. This helps promote harmony between the physicians and ancillary team and of course will benefit the patients and their family.


5. Incident reports are for incidents and not writing up people.  Communicate with the people involved. 


6.Set up committees to handle-- Education, QA, Recruitment and Retention,  R and R , Policies and Procedures, Scheduling (days, pms, nocs, 12 hour shifts), Leadership Committee with another committee to do the checks and balances on this committee.


 7. Have 2 members from each committe to sit in on another committee of their choice and evaluate them.  This is where the checks and balances come in. Do this on a monthly basis.


8. Yearly peer evaluation should be passed around in a sealed envelope( no names outside); to be handed out by  a volunteer outside the unit.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          

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I was inspired by this topic because of years of struggle as a nurse.


The challenge of getting the job done properly while not stepping on toes.


The challenge of protecting ones liscense while being judged as demanding........and I will say indeed I have done well in protecting my patients and my liscense but it came with a heavy price.


The ethical question was mostly how do you stand up to those who refuse to help and when they were challenged for impeding proper and correct nursing you or should I say I would face the challenge of defending myself and of course not being given any sympathy by certain bosses.


As one spend more years being a nurse I find that I strieve more and more for perfection and become impatient with mediocore care. I become a nurse of excellence and distinction.....and many people find this annoying.


I guess having a start working as a young lady in the court system having been a teacher and a  mental health tech I became more aware of the legal risk of not doing things according to the book example answering a call light....... I for one was very annoyed at times with a few Cnas who would ignore the light and with my concience unable to ignore ended up doubling my work load as I would often answer the light while doing my assignment and the the strain was unbearable but my complaint would leave me chastised and bruised. 


This would affect my happiness as a nurse. 


My happiness as a nurse was even more affected on one job when a nurse who just graduated got a better evaluation than I because she was younger and more outgoing. I had worked just as hard and had done just as good a job maybe better.


Unhappiness affected me even more when I had helped my company get 0 defficiency only to be threatened with a write up on trumped up insinuation  after i followed protocol was accused of not informing my boss when I had attempted to call her  with no result and was directed by her next in command. The ingratitude and annihilation without memory to efforts or team work bruised me deeply.


I worked so hard I did not take lunch break many days. I worried about the patients and was layol to my company only to be struck down and bashed by a boss who didnot appreciate me and aids who wanted to treat the patient as they felt and a few nurse who felt my light shined too bright.


I was harrassed by abusive aids. I would get no help when I reported them......It was just a nightmare that I struggled with for four years I was asked why did you stick around...because I didnot want to be a looser......but the punishment was unbearable I finally resigned after four years.


Note there were those who did help therefore I know it could have been done but the few who didnot made nursing for me a bad experience which I am getting over slowly.


Proper nursing cannot be accomplished by one person in a fasclity but requires the effort of a team pulling together and when one aspect of the team is hostile and resistive then the challenge becomes tougher. 


 


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I've been a nurse for a long time myself and until now, i have not developed that jaded attitude that so many nurses have. I went thru the same experience you did., not in one facility but in three. Because I was determined to make things right. I knew deep in my heart that if I left, who's to say they wouldnt do the same to another nurse.  But in fact they have.  The only difference is , I stood my ground and I fought back.  Many of my friends were surprised how long I lasted in each institution. Just as many applauded and admired me for doing what I did. And some friends I lost because all communications between myself and those friends were suddenly cut off, just like that....no warning.  They wont even answer my calls and this was after I finished taking care of problem #2.  So it makes me wonder. I cannot describe how I felt the first time it happened to me. I felt so betrayed.  But, i will take the higher road and not air my dirty laundry.


However, I can tell you this, no matter how many times I say , I will never go back to Nursing.----I can never get it out of my system. I love my patients too much, and I truly feel this is my calling.  But, I will never change "me", and give up my integrity to fit in to Management's mold of nursing.  


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Rock the boat You have inspired me by your story


 


Your strenght  strenthens me.


Many a times they say find a role modle and I think you could be my inspiration in the face of adversary but I do love nursing as you do


Thanks


You could keep posting to this discussuion so young nurses have a mentor and someont ot teach us how to handle conflict in nursing. Post your method and your challenges you have been successful thus far anyone who is able to  face there difficult and overcome them is an inspiration.

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Thanks to everyone who replied to my blog.


Nurses are intelligent and caring and I havent met one yet who didnt impress me. 



Man.....................I've worked with several who made me wonder what in the world made them think they can be a nurse!  Some were idiots....I dont use that term lightly....one tried to cram a phenergan suppository up into an ng tube..........another was in the process of  crushing a lortab, adding saline to dissolve it for IM injection.  I'm feeling very blessed I walked in and saw what was about to happen!  Thing is.........not all are impressive, when orienting a new nurse, there is no reason to be hateful and do your best to make them feel like dirt.  I've also worked with one who called in sick for Christmas 2 years in a row.  Some of us pick up the slack though.  We dont have nursing unions where I live.  There was a memo that went out a couple of monthes ago that pretty much said 'you work in a fabulous place, if you are approached by a union organizer please remember where you work!"  I do work in a great place.........a great facility, but I dont take well to unveiled threats either.  No union reps approached me or anyone I know at work.  I guess they were 'scared off'.  I dont know if unions are a good idea since i know nothing about them.......but that seemed a bit deceitful. 


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Well you might be right I have seen a few error made by a rare nurse.I immediately stepped in and prevented or counseled the person gladly no harm was done but I do mean the majority of nurses I am sure are good decent people and who would i think i am to offend those thousand of nurses who place there lives at risk to care for the sick.......I remain impressed over all.


My gripe is the maltreatment of the nurse when she attempts to carry out her duty  by some bossess and some whom she is suppose to be guiding example some cna......I remember requesting an aid to attend to one of her pt as had developed a rapour with the patient the


and the patient was at risk.......I was immediately pounced upon by an aid and chastised "anyone can do the job"...no mind the pt was asigned to the person I requested to help her......the others chimed in anyone can do it I immediatly explained why and told them I was trained and had reason for my action ......I was later told I was showing off and throwing my education in the aids faces.......the out come for the pt was sad I wont say otherwise......the blatant disregard for the Lpn and at times even the Rn guidance and counsel the mockery of your job by some stupid bosses who want all the glory for themselves.....What does one do to whom does one turn must one keep running from job to job because of persecution...then they have the nerve to ask you as though you are stupid "you feel persecuted"....yes i do


Let me do my job in peace.


However life goes on and I am finding much satisfaction now with what I am doing..........But I still would like changes brought about to protect the integrity of the professional and proper nurse who works according to the book.

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Rock the boat You have inspired me by your story


 


Your strenght  strenthens me.


Many a times they say find a role modle and I think you could be my inspiration in the face of adversary but I do love nursing as you do


Thanks


You could keep posting to this discussuion so young nurses have a mentor and someont ot teach us how to handle conflict in nursing. Post your method and your challenges you have been successful thus far anyone who is able to  face there difficult and overcome them is an inspiration.



Thank you. I'm happy, i've at least affected somebody in a positive way.  Sorry I did not get to comment any sooner,  I had surgery and then my sister had surgery, so my platter was kinda full.  Yes, i definitely will try to post something on this topic when I get an insight.


Thank you once again.


 



 


 


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You win some you loose some.....am still happy


 


For the person who voted thumbs down I give you a thumbs down for being negative


 


 

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I can identify with grier.I have known many nurses who had to simple quit because of the stress to deal with an unwilling staff from the top to the bottom who found that the person trying to follow the rules as trained was a trouble maker and a pain in the butt....so i give grier 4 thumbs up for her courage.

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The question I ask is how can the nurse retain some pleasure in doing her task.


 


How does the nurse perform her duties to the best of her ability while getting along with those who might challenge her when she needs to get her task accomplished.


 


If anyone has answer to these question they may respond. It might be of help to me and others.  


 


 


 


WHOAH...... HER tasks? Pretty sexist there skippy.


 


This is a joke.. right?


 


 


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I am a CNA who is going for my nursing degree and I can understand where you are coming from griercamille with all you have said about aids ignoring lights and giving you nothing but grief BUT any job has its good people who do their job and those that are there just to put in the time.  Aids can be over whelmed as well as RN's.  I have watched aids ignore a light and I have seen RN's walk by a room that has their patient in it and look up @ the light and keep going and then go into the nurses station and stand and talk about what they did the night before.  There are good and bad in every situation.  I don't know how it is in your hospital but in ours it is EVERYONE's responsibility to answer a bell.  I have had RN's say to me how did their butt look after I have bathed a patient and have asked me to describe what a pressure ulcer  looked like and then documented on it.  WRONG ~  I work well with all the people on  my floor and yes I have some worries about what will happen in Dec. when my position changes and I have to delegate to an aid a job and the month beforeI was an aide. 


My main thing when I go to work is to treat everyone with respect and not put anyone down for the job they do.  I respect the RN for the education and training she worked hard for but I want respect for the job I do.  I think that you need to remember that each and every day.  You need to work as a team.  You will find that any one will be irritated when they are TOLD to do something, it is all in the way that you approach the person.  If you ask someone to help you do something or use a please and thank you that goes a long way.


As for SEVOFLURANE as for the sexist bit ~~~~ refer back to his comment in the forum about stereotypes.  Enough said.


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I know this thread is a bit old but I am new here and I could not resist replying.


The real issue I see here in this entire thread is the lack of support for the working nurse. This is what unions are for.


In Canada there are labor laws that require a union to  work in the interest of their members. This is important in health care because the workers must work in the interest of the client NOT the employer. and if the employer's interests and the client's interest are in conflict then how is the worker supported in working only in the client's interest? that support comes from a union that is regulated under labor laws.



We dont have nursing unions where I live.  There was a memo that went out a couple of monthes ago that pretty much said 'you work in a fabulous place, if you are approached by a union organizer please remember where you work!"



In Canada labor laws make it illegal for an employer to intimidate workers who are being organized into a union.


62% of nurses in Canada are unionized in a nursing union and most of those are hospital  and community nurses.  Many other nurses are unionized under non nursing unions like goverment employee unions( nurse who work in federal health service) or university faculty unions (nurse educators) but unions are the norm.


under this system an employer cannot intimidate a nurse into doing what they want.  As an independent and autonomous practitioner a nurse must make decisions in the best interest of the client.  This is much easier to do  knowing that the the unionized job is secure.  Employers cannot bully a nurse into making the decision that they want.


Labor unions and employers and nurses work together each supporting their own interests with a view to the ultimate overarching goal of public accountability.


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