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Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Can you believe this one? A friend of mine was denied employment as a LPN for bad credit. I understand the whole background check thing to some extent, but what does bad credit have to do with how you will perform as a nurse?

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

That seems like going too far! What does one have to do with the other, is a good question!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

PittNurse said:

Can you believe this one? A friend of mine was denied employment as a LPN for bad credit. I understand the whole background check thing to some extent, but what does bad credit have to do with how you will perform as a nurse?

The employer should give the person seeking employment a chance to get rid of the bad credit by getting a job. Working and paying bills can help get rid of the bad credit. There are many reasons for bad credit. The person should be given a chance to correct it and to work at least.

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Exactly, what has bad credit got to do with WORK ETHIC?


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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Bad credit does not have anything to do with work ethic as far as I can figure out. However, studies do show that those with bad credit are likely to have many other problems that interfere with work performance. And, some, not all with bad credit have sticky fingers. Many with bad credit have issues such as drug use and gambling. It is not uncommon for employers to do a credit check.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

This is one of the craziest things I've heard yet today, but cdnurse, I think you may have a valid argument. I don't think that it's right to deny employment based on poor credit, but I can comprehend the reasoning...I thank goodness this wasn't me 7-8 years ago. My ex ran my credit into the ground. It has taken me A LOT of work to put it back to rights!!! I'm not a spender...I tell my husband he got lucky! = )


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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

with the shortage of nurses out there....these people are worried about bad credit?!?!?!...your credit shouldn't have anything to do with getting a job...most of the time your credit is bad because of the student loans...

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

cdnurse is correct from my understanding. The credit check is to weed out the potential employees that might steal items (drugs, expensive equipment) to sale. My understanding is that employers see high debt as a potential liability for the company. It probably would also depend on the type of debt owed. I can't imagine someone getting turned down for school loan debt.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

snowman said:

with the shortage of nurses out there....these people are worried about bad credit?!?!?!...your credit shouldn't have anything to do with getting a job...most of the time your credit is bad because of the student loans...

That is unbelievably that employment would be denied to someone because of bad credit!

Here's food for thought (or an argument) when 'snowman' states "...with the shortage of nurses out there...." do many of you consider LPN's part of the 'nursing' shortage or just Registered Nurses?

I am NOT picking on 'snowman.' Yet. he mentioned LPN's in the same breath as RN's with regard to the shortage. I just wondered if RN's out there consider the shortage to be relative to RN's only.
I did until I read the 'snowman' comment. Actually, I still do.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I'm right up there with you DeMomb. I have Very bad credit for unfortunite desions I made a few years back. Due to this, I've had a very hard time since with everything you could think of, but not limited to even being turned down for a house even with a co-signer. Now to hear people are even being turned down jobs, whats next? I cant believe what this world is coming to!

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I do not agree that just because someone has bad credit they will steal or they gamble or do drugs. Lets face it we all have done some dumb things while still young and learning. Few people reach their thirties without regrets. That being said; if someone does not want to hire me because of my credit score, that is fine, because I probably would not be happy working there anyway.

If you want to screen for things like theft, gambling and drugs....its a lot easier than running a credit report. These things usually show up in length of time on previous jobs, willingness of former employers to say more than yes he/she worked here from this day to that and nothing else and similiar findings when checking REFERENCES.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

Vickielee1970,
I agree with your points. I do believe that it is easier to do a drug test: Follicle, UA, Blood what ever... I respect the thoughts of cdnurse and understand where you are coming from, however, just because some people have credit issues does not always make them a person that is drug seeking or have other forms of backage. (again i respect and understand your point and agree that some people may be like that) Sometimes people just do stupid things or have lost jobs and got really far behind, and now they have a means to straighten that wrong. However, if an employer is determining a persons work ethic and their ability to do a job based on a FICO score than that is pretty wrong and should be considered unethical... The only way that i could see a person getting turned down is if they are handling money and if this was a concern in past employment..
I like many of you have debt to my butt from school loans 100+ and i couldn't image that if my credit score was low because of slow pay on some things over the past few years (I'm not just saying) that i would be pretty upset because that doesn't depict how i will perform my duties as a nurse or if my ethical and moral judgment would be impaired....

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

I think considering a credit score in the determination of a hiring is hideous. I don't care how you rationalize it. This reeks of suits and bean counters who don't give a damn about actual patient care. My wife and I incurred the beginning of our debt when we had to pay for in vitro out-of-pocket 7 years ago. The twins came and all was great...then we had surprise #1 in 2004 and surprise #2 earlier this year. My wife, a highly experienced ER nurse, had to seriously cut back her hours. We're into year 2 of our 5 year debt reduction. You run a check on either of us right now and it might not be all that great. I can understand how someone could argue the relevance of a credit check, but that's just some jackass in a 3-piece who can't fathom the meaning of the term "non-profit".

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

With the economy the way it is, I'm sure there are a lot of people losing points off of their credit score. The inability to get another job because of it is really like getting kicked in the face when you are already down. My husband is in the military and he said that if someone has bad credit and attempts enlisting, they might be turned down.  Also if a military member gets into debt over the course of their service, he or she might be denied a security clearance, therefore, losing their job. They see it as a security risk...prone to accept bribes from other counties. Which I understand completely!   Just that in a lot of cases in and out of the military, irresponsibility is not the case. Just bad circumstances. And it can take a lot of time to get back on our feet. It can be nearly impossible to do if we are denied employment.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

If a person has info that could look bad on your credit, or have a judgement of any type on your record.  Dont put that info on a resume, but tell the person interviewing that something like you had to  bankrupt because it  will show up.   My husband once told me that he saw a background check on somebody he interviewed <didnt tell me who> and there was a judgement from a library, lol.  He came home asking me if I had any overdue library books out.   The one interviewing probably has credit issues too these days, just be honest up tront.  The post about unemployment might have something to do about a judgement or maybe even child support.  I heard a year or so ago about somebody who couldnt get his lotto ticket winning because he was late on child support.   It was suppose to be over a million bucks if I remember it right. 


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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

Part of the problem with the current credit reporting system is there is no balance check on the side of the consumer.  The consumer can add a statement disputing information, and the credit bureaus "will investigate", which amounts to them calling the original creditor, "do they owe?"  "Yep"  "Sorry consumer, they say you owe, so we aren't changing your score."


I "owed" money to creditors who couldn't tell me what the money was owed for, couldn't prove it was my original debt.  I was told I still owed for debt I'd paid off years early, in one case 5 years earlier.  I had the choice of either paying it off (which is what I did) or fighting it and see my score get even worse.  I didn't mind paying the legit debt, but I did mind paying the same debt twice. 


I'm glad reform has come to how the credit cards can charge interest, but I think there also needs to be government oversight of the credit score.  I'm not against credit scores per se, I realize they do reflect the risk involved in extending credit.  But too many creditors use their own system modified from the original FICO, and play by rules only they know.  These creditors can easily game the credit reporting system to justify hiking interest rates from customers, which is great for their bottom line but terrible for the consumer and may not be an accurate reflection of true credit risk.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

I know my employer checked my credit before hiring me.  I have good credit, so I wasn't worried.  It was on the employment application, and I signed a statements that they could check my credit. I was told that checking credit, weeds out those with potentially bad character.  The same way, that the auto insurance company checks your credit before issuing a policy.  Bad credit will also raise your insurance rate. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

I disagree that people with "bad credit" weeds out those with bad character.  Some very good people end up with ruined credit after a divorce or a serious medical illness. 


A criminal background check will reveal histories of things like passing bad checks or fraud. 


But it can takes years to repair a credit history for people whose only "crime" was life issues that interfered with their ability to pay their bills on time.  That can and should be an issue for credit issuers, not employers.


My credit score is not all that hot (it's not bad either), largely because I refuse to get a credit card.  I have no "revolving debt" and that hurts my score.  To me, credit cards simply hand the banks money I could better spend myself, so I pay cash for everything.  That causes me some inconvieniences (I have to save in advance for expensive items) but I live well within my means and am saving.  But you would not know that looking at my credit score.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

And every time someone checks your credit score it lowers that score. It is standard for insurance companies to check your score at regular intervals as they deem that a good way to weed out bad insurance risks. That is why i buy my insurance from a Texas-based company that determines your auto insurance policy rates on your driving record.

So those safe drivers who have a sorry credit score because of nothing to do with your driving pay more for auto insurance than a rich person with an excellent credit score who drives like a maniac.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

A credit score is a rough tool to weed out cadidates. If your credit score sucks... you have made some bad choices... and please spare me the sob stories about it was not my fault.


 


Buying anything excpet a house and POSSIBLY a car on credit is an indication you are living beyond your means. You are irresposible if you FINANCE a big screen TV for example...


 


And not having debt does not mean you have a poor credit score.... I have ZERO debt and i have a very good credit score.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

If you have and use a credit card you have debt.  It's called revolving debt, because you turn it over every billing cycle.


If you are one of the folks who pays their balances off in full every billing cycle, then that usually means you have a good score.


The credit card companies are cutting the limits on customers cards, and hurting the scores of those customers.  For example I've read several news reports of customers who had limits of 30,000 get cut to 5,000.  They had balances of 4,000, meaning their use of their overall available limits topped 80%, hurting their scores.  It wasn't that the customers were spending beyond their means--they weren't.  It wasn't that they couldn't handle the debt--they could.  They weren't behind on their debt.  But because of the new consumer protection laws getting ready to take effect, the credit card companies are trying to limit their risk exposure by cutting credit limits, imposing more fees and penalties, and changing fixed rates to variable rates.  The consumer (again!) gets caught in the middle.


Taking the approach, "if you have a bad credit score you must be a deadbeat" was probably true in the 80's, but isn't today.  It's just not that simplistic anymore because creditors have had the ability to game the system to what suits them best.


What does your credit score have to do with your ability to drive safely?  There should be no reason for auto insurance to check your credit score before issuing you a policy.  They should look at your driving record.


Also, there is a lack of consistency in how creditors calculate their scores.  They don't just use the FICO score you get from the Big Three.  They have their own formulas, which they don't have to explain to you, that are gamed to give them excuses to charge you higher interest rates, or reduce your credit limit.  It's a colassal shell game.


The original Fair Issac Co (FICO) scoring system probably was truly based on risk when it was first invented.  But even the Big 3 reporting agencies (Experiean, Tru Reliant, and Equifax) modify the FICO scoring system on archane formulae that no one but them ever sees.  You can have as much as a 100 point different in scores, and a potential creditor always picks the lowest one.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

They can't check your credit, unless you allow them to do so.  It's simple, if you don't want to work for an employer that checks your credit, than don't sign the paper allowing them to do so.  If you have bad credit, you won't get the job.  I have credit cards, I use them, and I pay them off.  I also get free airline tickets, and free llbean clothing with my credit cards.  My kids get some great clothes, and every couple of years we get a free vacation for the whole family.

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

To clear your credit report, at least temporarily, request your free annual credit report from all 3 major credit reporting agencies. Then refute all derogatory report entries. The information must be removed while your objections are investigated. Use this time to allow any potential employer to check your credit.

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

Great.  My credit is is the toilet.  What are they going to do next?

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

I was denied a job because I couln't qualify for another credit card for traveling purposes. It was a coporate card that I wouldn't even be paying for, but dependent on my credit score. Since we are over extended on our own credit, I didn't qualify. 

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

geekRN: I went to www.truenursing.com and it seems to be a bash session on patients and nursing. It is a very derogatory website for nursing. Do you have some issues with your career?

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Rate This | Posted over 3 years ago

 

I was forced into bankruptcy when my ex husband refused to pay child support for 6(!) years. As a result, I lived off of credit cards at times to survive . That's really unfair to penalize someone for bad credit. I'm a very godd dependable employee who's pts seem to enjoy as a nurse,If my credit was checked , I wouldn't have a job.


After going bankrupt, I remarried and never tried to re-establish credit again. I never want to have debt that I can't pay back ever again. Does that make me a person of bad charcter? I hardly think so. That's really wrong especially with economy and alot of people struggling.


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