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Posted almost 6 years ago

 

Sadly, I have never mastered this skill. Here's an interesting article about an anesthesiology group that complained when the hospital decided to do away using IV teams at night.

Doctors demand return of hospital's overnight IV services

At my last job we relied on the IV nurses for difficult IV starts but it seems like there's always someone on the unit that can get the stick when you don't have the IV team available. I've also found that Filipino nurses are especially good at starting IVs.

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I believe the IV nurses should be used as a back-up. Or, as in my hospital, have them around solely for PICC inserts.

The policy in my hospital is that a nurse is only allowed two attempts before seeking out someone else to help. Generally, if we can't get it, we go to THE nurse on our unit for IV starts--who almost never misses.

Too often, nurses will refuse to even make an attempt, choosing to ask others, or THE IV starter on my unit. Without practice, a nurse will NEVER become an adequate starter.

The nurses in the VIHA will take awhile to get the skill to a good level, but once they do, I think it will be easier for them. Calling an IV team for EVERY start sounds like a big pain in the &@#$R# to me. Besides, starting IVs is one of my favorite skills to perform...I would be sad if it were to be taken away from me.

One last note...If I remember correctly, the nurses at this particular hospital were given a vote whether or not to keep the IV team. I heard of one ER nurse who moved there to work in their ER. She was insulted and frustrated that she was absolutely in no situation allowed to start an IV....she voted against keeping the team.

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As an ER nurse, it's very difficult for me to envision not having this basic nursing skill. I, personally, want to be able to do everything that my patient may need, within the scope of my practice. IV teams are fine, but in our hospital they're the ones who come and hang blood on the inpatients. That's insane! I say give the floor nurses the opportunity to practice the most basic invasive nursing skill and allow the IV team to deal with the Piccs.

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Believe me, It's always been a thorn in my side to not have this basic skill. But working in the MICU provides little opportunity to practice. I would say over half of my patients get central lines, and the other half have 2 or 3 IVs that were placed in the ER.

How would you suggest a MICU nurse would acquire this skill when there's not many opportunities to practice? I've heard some people encourage "practicing" on comatose patients but I think this is unethical.

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I would consider talking to the manager or educator in the ER. As the educator for our ER I would certainly entertain the notion of IV clinicals in our secondary triage area. We place our novice nurses or those who have transferred from inpatient units who have anxiety or questionable IV skills in our triage area for at least 8 hours during the busiest times. This immerses them in a sea of IV starts. Depending on the size of your hospital (900 beds here) it may be kind of a down low thing. For a smaller institution, it could be more public. Good way to build relations between the ED and inpatient units.

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When I graduated from nursing school I couldn't hit the side of a barn! Now, after 6 years of working in a hospital, I can get just about every IV. You know you're good when the ICU nurses call for you. It just takes LOTS of practice. I have found slow entry into the skin a key factor in success.

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I would love to have the chance to spend several hours just trying to start IV's. We learned the theory, then got to practice once on the fake plastic arm (which is NOT realistic in any way) and then we tried on patients when possible (which at times were few and far between). I have had a few good starts, but am often hit-and-miss. I would love tips on finding veins if anyone has any, and knowing which one to pick (other than one that is straight). And any other tips are good too! :)

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I am also a new nurse, having only practiced for about a year now. I too, had problems with IVs and it frustrated both me and my patients. Having been a victim myself of bad IV insertion, I know how it feels. One useful resource that I have found helps a lot is PEPID RN, a software program for my PDA. It gives me information and illustrations on how to insert IV, as well as information on how to select a vein, etc. It is also useful to review information that you cover in your classes but don't see all the time at a hospital. Refreshers are always a great thing! Oh yeah, another great thing that I use all the time are the drip rate calculators! Good luck, and it will come easier with time, I promise.

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Cannulation and venepuncture are quite difficult to master unless you have constant practice. I should say filipinos are very good in these procedures as they practice this in Philippines very often, mostly not relying on the doctors as they are more experienced than them. Actually....... better than them. I am working in a busy renal unit, with plenty of diabetics ( they are the most difficult to cannulate), with loads of IV administration. Only 2 of us are qualified to cannulate and there we practice our skills. Sometimes failed but mostly a success. Doctors even call us to do this. The downfall is, they will wait for you to come on the shift then you have to start the IV's.

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I'm not sure the nationality of a nurse has ever come into play in this arena. Doctors starting IV's? Now that's scary.

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Sadly in long term care IV's are not things we do on a daily basis so when they do come up its not always easy. The practice is not there. I am IV certified but starting one on A 90 Year old frail elderly patient is a hard challenging task.

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Especially when they are dehydrated..

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Sounds like threading the needle (no pun intended). Are there any tricks of the trade? What helps get the IV in when you have a frail 90 year-old?

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Not that I am an expert at this or anything but with elderly you really have to make sure the skin is taught then just rub a finger over the vien you are going to aim for and see if it looks as if it would roll easily. If it apears it is not going to, slowly insert needle into the skin, the quicker you try to do it, the more likely you are to make that vein roll, considering thier viens are harder.

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While I was learning about IV's I picked up on some tricks one is use a warm towel around the insertion site to raise the vein. Feel the vain for any possible rollers or valves, check your tornaquet not to loose not to tight, allow the extremity to dangle for a few moments while you prepare the equipment. Start at an angle to insert the needle,When you insert the needle you'll feel a pop when you are in you'll also see a flash return of blood at that point go level with the extremity and advance remove the tornaquet apply slight pressure above the hub remove the needle put the connection together. It is helpful to keep a 4x4 under the connection to catch any leakage. Turn your fluids on check the flow and look for any signs of infiltration. And above all else I would say a prayer "God guide my hand directly and gently into the vein" Starting IV's is not my favorite thing to do I don't like hurting people but when it is necessary and has to be done a steady hand helps.

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Found this.. may help nursing students (like myself).

http://enw.org/IVStarts.htm

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I have to say that the best tips I have gotten for IV starting came from this blog post by ImpactED Nurse here: http://impactednurse.com/?p=30 The "ancient Australian Zen mantra" is gold. :)

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Thanks guys for the websites..I am a nursing student and this will help alot

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When a patient is frail or has very thin skin, I often find it helpful to "float" the catheter in, just after I hit the vessel, and before I go "to far" as to blow it, I will retract the needle and slowly use the the flush to float the cather in.
Sometimes (not always) it will prevent the needle from puncturing the vessel wall at the valve. Often the valves are there but not felt, and this is my trick for getting around them. Another little trick I use is to pull the skin taunt by using a piece of paper tape aound the back side of the arm, it keeps you vessel visable and often stiller than it would be, especially on saggy skin. Also I find that at the end of a twelve hour shift, my eyes and body are tired, it's better to get the in coming nurse with fresh eyes to do the stick, it seems more sucessful and less traumatic for my patients.
And lastly be courtious NEVER STICK MORE THAN TWICE, HAVE MERCY AND DON'T DIG!

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Rate This | Posted almost 6 years ago

 

I have worked in many ER settings and recently started working at the VA where they use IV teams. I have noticed that nurses on the floor really lose the skills they have by not pushing themselves to try and get those tough sticks. Everything is on repition and if you leave any skill aside you will lose it. When I first start out I was on a med/surg floor and everyone always wanted me to get their IV for them. Problem is that they never learned because they would never even try, which in turn boggs down the whole work process.

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Thanks guys for the websites..I am a nursing student and this will help alot

I agree too!!! Thanks for the websites!!!!

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In the frail, "onion-skin" elderly patients, sometimes not using a tourniquet will help. There is no pressure buildup in the vein and less chance of rupture upon insertion. Doesn't always work, but can't hurt to try.

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Great readings. As a L&D nurse, we start IV's, but I have to say, they are too, hit and miss for me. It is surprising to see how many women are dehydrated, and how that does affect the stick. I read a great article in one of my recent nursing journals (American Journal Of Nursing, August, 2007, page 64 "Emergency: Infiltration and Extravasation". Then another good article was in Nursing 2007 , August, 2007 P. 18 "What you need to know about PICCs part I". I hope this will help some of you. It is awesome to have other nurses with experiences that can teach other nurses tricks of the trade. We are all in it together........

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Great point cindykim. I would hope that NursingLink users would use this thread to discuss tools of the trade. Some already have, but I'm wondering if there are any further suggestions? What about starting IVs on kids? What are the main challenges involved?

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Depending on the age and situation, i.e. they're conscious, I will sometimes use buffered lidocaine when starting a line. The first things most kids do when they have pain is withdraw from it. If they don't feel the initial stick, it's easier on them and they don't pull away from the catheter.

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I used to have great IV skills as an ED tech and found when I started as an RN in the ICU that my skills were deteriorating. I think to keep your skill level up like anything else you have to practice...if the opportunity arises try for it twice and then ask a colleague for help. And really nursing schools should just do away with the plastic arm...the best way to practice is with 24's on your friend...that's how I learned!

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we have iv nurses available 24/7; we don't even keep the necessary equipment on the unit. Our techs draw all labs except PICCS/centrals. We even have a hard stick tech team for lab work when floor techs are unable to get vein access. it is great.

I did an internship in L/D so I got pretty good at starting them. However, I have not had to do it in so long I don't know if I even could any longer.

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While I was learning about IV's I picked up on some tricks one is use a warm towel around the insertion site to raise the vein. Feel the vain for any possible rollers or valves, check your tornaquet not to loose not to tight, allow the extremity to dangle for a few moments while you prepare the equipment. Start at an angle to insert the needle,When you insert the needle you'll feel a pop when you are in you'll also see a flash return of blood at that point go level with the extremity and advance remove the tornaquet apply slight pressure above the hub remove the needle put the connection together. It is helpful to keep a 4x4 under the connection to catch any leakage. Turn your fluids on check the flow and look for any signs of infiltration. And above all else I would say a prayer "God guide my hand directly and gently into the vein" Starting IV's is not my favorite thing to do I don't like hurting people but when it is necessary and has to be done a steady hand helps.

i beleive that one of the reasons why i'm not even trying to do the IV insertion is that i have an unsteady hand and needs to look closer even when wearing my glasses. praying really helps a lot. Anyway, read an article about using a machine that can guide and prevent misses.

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Rate This | Posted over 5 years ago

 

As an LPN in the Hosp where I work, we are all certified, But the PICC and Central Lines are put in up in surgery. On the floor we only change the dressings. I find this acceptable. I also like the extra money on the paycheck for being certified.
Hit and Miss, is always there because of everyone being different in the veins. Some elders have such sunburnt and tough skin that you can't find a site any better than on one that has no fat left and the vein moves. Keep trying though and it will get better.

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Great readings. As a L&D nurse, we start IV's, but I have to say, they are too, hit and miss for me. It is surprising to see how many women are dehydrated, and how that does affect the stick. I read a great article in one of my recent nursing journals (American Journal Of Nursing, August, 2007, page 64 "Emergency: Infiltration and Extravasation". Then another good article was in Nursing 2007 , August, 2007 P. 18 "What you need to know about PICCs part I". I hope this will help some of you. It is awesome to have other nurses with experiences that can teach other nurses tricks of the trade. We are all in it together........

when I was in labor, my lovely RN stuck me six (yes 6) times before she finally got it. My hubby was so pissed, he wanted them to not put an IV at all. I was ready to put my fist in her eye! Six times

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