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Posted almost 5 years ago

 

Okay- There has recently been a situation that has come up in my local area. It, unfortunately, is not uncommon. I nurse diverted a large amount of narcotics from a Pyxis system. When I say a large amount, I mean hundreds over several months. Someone please explain how this could have happened. I have never worked with a Pyxis. My hospital experience was pre-Pyxis. I thought the whole idea of this system was to help prevent errors and diversion. Right?

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shan, I have worked with pyxis and since I don't have a criminal mind, so the only thing I can think of is this nurse replaced these narcotics with bogus narcotics.


Whenever I've used the pyxis, it takes the patient's mr, your password and only allows you to remove the drug you've requested.  I do know, when getting any drug, there are only a certain number of the drugs in a drawer.  Pharmacy, wherever I've worked, has kept very close records and track of drugs being used and they follow up immediately on any discrepancy. 

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I guess then A LOT of people dropped the ball. It was stated that the SBI was able to verify that she diverted ampules of hydromorphone for 6 months. I was told by an extremely reliable source that it was much longer than that.


 


Is it possible to replace ampules with bogus ampules and someone not know it? I mean your are suppose to do the 5 rights, right? I am just completely floored by this mostly because I know this person.

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Is it possible to replace ampules with bogus ampules and someone not know it? I mean your are suppose to do the 5 rights, right? I am just completely floored by this mostly because I know this person.


 

I have absolutely no idea

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A couple of nurses I've worked with were signing out meds for all the patients on the floor. My charge nurse at one facility would medicate all of my patients while I was at lunch, but if I asked him to give something scheduled at the same time he would refuse. I finally went to the manager and expressed my concern, I would assess my patients and they wouldn't need anything and 30 minutes later everyone would be medicated. The manager asked him to do a urine and he refused and he was terminated. Another nurse, basically the same situation. She would medicate the whole unit while the nurse was on break, lunch... Sometimes she would say the pt couldn't take the po meds so she would change it without an order to IM/IVP. I heard recently she isn't working at the hospital and that the managers had their eye on her for a while.


One facility I worked at they showed a film in orientation on this subject. I was blown away the stuff people would do to get drugs. I had never thought of this and here they are giving demonstrations on how to rip off meds...unreal.


Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time.

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I work in a facility that has an Accu-Dose, much like a pyxis. You have to sign in with a your user name and password and then go under the patient that you are pulling narcs for. It ask you how many you are taking and then the drawer pops open. There are many pockets in the drawer, but you are only able to get into the one you requested.


Then it ask you to enter a count after you take what you have entered. Example: You request one item. The machine knows how many is in the drawer before you even request it. So if it had 30 and you requested one and then it ask you to enter count remaining, you will have to enter 29. You could take 2 and still enter there were 29 left, but the count would be off when the next nurse accessed the Accu-Dose, and they would investigate.


The only thing I can think of that she could have been possibly doing to get away with it for so long is. She was taking the correct number out, and charting that she gave it to the patient when she actually was putting it in her pocket. I have lots of patients that have pain med ordered but doesn't ask for it. She could have been requesting pain med for all these patients knowing they didn't want it charting that she gave it, and just kept it for herself. If you have 5 or 6 patients for 12 hours and they can have pain med every 3 to 4 hours she could have collected a good bit by the end of her shift.


Does that make sense?

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Rate This | Posted almost 5 years ago

 

A former friend of mine was diverting po narcs for months.  Apparently she would do what Starlight described.  Take out 2 when the doc ordered 1.

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We have to count the narcotics in the pyxis every morning with the on coming shift.  It use to be counted twice a week on night shift.  I don't know if there was a problem or what caused the change in counting.  If there is a missing medication then those that have used that pyxis in the past 24 hours, since last count, all must submit to a drug test.  The only thing that I don't think is fair is that if I didn't use the pyxis but I am counting, because it is my turn, I also have to submit my sample.  We are suppose to count on the pyxis that we did not use since we have two. 

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Starlight- Thanks it does make sense.


Martini: I am thinking that if our local hospital had been as deligent as your (as much as a pain in the butt it probably is) hospital, this nurse might had been detered from destroying her life, and her family!

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Starlight- Thanks it does make sense.


Martini: I am thinking that if our local hospital had been as deligent as your (as much as a pain in the butt it probably is) hospital, this nurse might had been detered from destroying her life, and her family!

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FYI- Guys, I don't know if this is good news or not, but latest news is that this nurse will get a slap on the wrist and will be able to retain her license after some more rehab.

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If your floor doesn't use alot of narcotics, then it couold go on for quite a while.On the floor i work, we go through ALOT, so it would get picked up quickly.

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pezzy- she worked on a post-surgical floor. A lot of narcotics are used. That's what is so puzzling to me.

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very wierd,

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very scary!

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Yeah that is is very scary.

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 Pixus is hard to crack it eventually gets caught because there is a paper trail on every transaction


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You know that just doesn't seem right, but you know they will be watching her like a hawk.

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I hope so, but I would not be too confident with her on the floor anyway! I am sure this happens a lot, but I really feel like there should be more of a consequence and NOT be able to return to the same hospital!