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How does one practicing nurse protect themselves from the destructive, mean spirited, vindictive, manipulating, backstabbing sabatour?

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You don't. You have to leave the environment and start all over. Sounds like you have had a bad experience.

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CDNurse, you are exactly right. Plans are in the works to put as much distance from her as possible.

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What are the specifics here? What has this nurse done?

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A senerio: A two person department in vascular access department (VAD). The other previous team member (VADN #2) has resigned after finding out that she would be the only nurse available while VADN#1 was out for back surgery. This would make VADN#2 working and being on-call for over 30 days.
VADN#1 returns to work after back surgery. She begins training another nurse who has been working in the same facillity since the opening the hospital. The preceptor (VADN#1) documents everything on the preceptee, without the knowledge of the preceptee. In the meantime, pretending to support the preceptee and high 5'ing the preceptee, openly in public. The preceptor openly states to the preceptee "just ask anyone, how much I have praised your progress". The preceptor is then going to patients that the preceptee has cared for and asking the patient to write their experience of the PICC insertion. The preceptor is also submitting variance reports on every mistake the preceptee makes. At one point, the preceptor stands inches away face-to-face, in an open patient care area, and states, "you are still a preceptee and you will do what I tell you to do" in a power struggle stance. Noted: when the preceptee asks questions, she is told "because I said so". The preceptee is frequently sent home if no Picc lines are needed. The preceptee's day off is one of the slowest days of the week. Soon, the preceptor has her coming in on her day off, to do radiology conscious sedation procedures because "I will not work with those people". The preceptor has passive-aggressive behaviors of stating her ending statement with a sarcastic "thank you" and then turning her back to you. The preceptee's schedule is to work her administrative supervisor schedule on weekends, on-call on the weeks ends she is off, and working Monday through Friday in the vascuar access department. Now, the preceptee has also the responsibility of covering the radiology department for conscious sedation procedures. The preceptee is becoming tired after 3 weeks with no days off. She admits this to the preceptor. The preceptor sends her home. That day, there are seven Picc line orders. Evaluations are done to find out which ones can be postponed until the following day. So that leaves 4 to be done. The preceptor stays and completes all seven Picc lines. She writes a variance reports that the preceptee left with work to be done. Another incident occurs with using an anticoagulant to clear a suspected clot from an newly placed Picc line. Unable to find the preceptor, the preceptee uses a anticoagulant not listed in the protocal. And documents it. By the way, the preceptor informs the preceptee not to document the number of sticks it takes to get a Picc line inserted, nor any other details relating to Picc line procedures. Also, the preceptor does not want anyone in the room during her Picc line insertions, for obvious reasons. At the end of thirty days, the preceptee is summoned to the CNO's office. She is presented with all the documentation that the preceptor has been accumulating. The end result is that an 8 year loyal employee of the hospital is strongly urged to resign. This is what nurses do to one another. Unfortunately, the preceptor is a "pet" of the CNO, as she stated one day. And that what she says will be believed over anyone else. She was right. A loyal nurse is thrown away. That nurse is now wondering if nursing is the profession she should remain in. And then people wonder why there is a nursing shortage. It is experiences such as this that play a factor in our dwindling numbers of nurses.

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RNYuki, I am dealing with a similar issue. Although not as intense as this one is. I have a secretary that is trying everything she can to get me into trouble. And because in a meeting I told her "I believe you will do whatever it takes to get someone into trouble" and of course she cried I am the abrasive and rude person. Then I receive a wrtie up and got called to a meeting with the director and because I laughed at what they accused me of I was sent home for the day. Supposedly, a comment was heard that I made that used swear words and such in the nurses station. I have denied even saying the comment but I am the one that has to do counseling sessions and am at risk of losing my job. Oh and these sessions are done on my own time and not paid by the facility. The secretary because she is friendly with the new director has gotten into no trouble. And because I refuse to talk socially to the secretary I am now consider not a teamplayer. Although they never hesitated to call me when they are short to work knowing that I will usually always come in. Although they did say well your patient care is excellent and when I told them that is all that matters. Because I am not here for them I am here for my patients I was looked down on. So now I am trying to figure out if I should leave the facility because I won't tolerate someone beneath me jeopardizing my job like that. All because I started questioning why the secretary wasn't doing her job.

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Wow. And I thought working with men was tough. My wife told me that women can be very hard to work with and I have seen it first hand, but this stuff takes the cake. Running away never solves anything, and I know there are some people who just can't , won't and don't like each other. There are even some who are so insecure that they see anyone with better skills as a threat and do what they can to undermine them. An old agage comes to mind "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" Have a sit down off site, a cup of coffee. Talk thru your differences, and know that just as a rock is always just a rock and cannot be expected to say, play piano, that there are some who do not change. but knowing your enemy and follow one simple rule CYA and yes playing politics is unfortunately a course. A trick I learned was to find one thing good that that person does and let them "accidentally" overhear me mentioning that to a superior once or twice goes along way. Good luck and I hope you can make sence of my rambelings.

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You know, I am pretty easy to get along with, but occasionally I run across someone who just "rubs me the wrong way". Most of these people have a superior attitude and will not listen to anything you have to say. It's not as easy as sitting down and having a cup of coffee with them. I wish it were. Most of the time I try to avoid them and have as little to do with them as possible. There was this one nurse -she was black and I am white (I thought that was the issue)-also she was a RN and I am a LPN. Whenever I would take report from her, she was downright hostile to me. She would question everything I said. She would interrogate me and make me feel as stupid as a doorknob. I'd go home and fume for hours. I started giving my report to my supervisor who would relay it to her. One night the supervisor wasn't there. This nurse started berrating me, So I came right back at her. I told her she was rude and had no right to treat me as she did. After that, she was different to me-somewhat nicer. I still didn't know what her problem was. And I still kept my distance whenever possible. Women can get nasty and catty with each other. Sometimes it is jealousy. Other times it's just trying to one up every body. I don't like playing games. And I hate the politics that goes on everywhere you work. But in order to work there, you have to go with it to some extent. That's why I prefer Temp nursing. I don't have to put up with all the bullshit. I can go to work, do my job and go home. I love it!

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I have had a really bad experience. I am an LPN who works along side 2 RN's. After 6 months of being at this job, one of the RN's was made the supervisor. Before this occured we were friends. Once she got a little power she has changed. The Dr we work for came back from out of town and took us all to dinner. She gave us all the same bonus, and gifts. Then she decided to recognize 2 employees for outstanding patient care. I was one of those to get a $50 gift card along with the scheduler up front. Now this RN treats me like crap. It felt really good to be complimented on a job well done but now, it seems to have done more damage than it was worth. I have been there over a year and a half, never had a write up. Last week I was told that I am being transfered down to the main clinic. I am devistated, hurt and feel like she did this all because of jealousy. She makes twice as much as I do and has her BSN in nursing. I just don't understand why she would be so vindictive and petty.

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That's the biggest mistery in nursing. We are care givers and we tear each other apart. This is every where, I've worked in VA, WA, MT, CA and now WY and it is the same. It happens in Longterm and Acute care facilities. So many people complain about it but it never changes. We just had a seminar on nurse management and the reasoning they gave was the multiple stages in nursing...the veterens, the baby boomers, the generation x, all coming together and we all view are nursing, work ethics ect differently from the other generation. I guess it was kind of logical. Still there are so many beautiful, caring people in this field, you'd think we could tolerate each other without making life miserable.


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squirmals, that is a huge load of bogus doodoo. When management is strong, fair and aware, this simply does not happen because the manager does not and will not tolerate this doodoo. I've worked in 19 states in the US and wherever the managers were strong and capable, this did not occur. Some blame is on the nurses who do this, but they do it because they can and do get away with it.

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Nurses can be very mean to each other, which is strange, since we are in a caring profession. I wonder if men are more professional in their jobs than women are. I think that the next generation may be better toward each other and more professional than we have been. When I first started in nursing, there was a thought that since we are in the medical profession, we should be able to tolerate everything. That included double shifts, and bad conditions. Doctors also were treated this way through medical school. I think that things have since changed, but sometimes attitudes take longer. I had this trouble when I started a new job in October. It tooke me several months, but I worked harder to be nicer, remembered little things about my coworkers that they liked. Sometimes I bring in goodies. The nicer attitude has softened them up a lot. They have gotten used to me, and like to work with me. I didn't work overnight, and took a few months, but a good attitude always wins out in the end.

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Dmaze, in CA the management- admin was the leader of mean. They love, LOVED, to get rid of the current RN supervisor. They would start right after the nurse took the job. I was at that hosp for 4 yrs and we had 2-3 new nurse sup a year. We got a new manager that actually took the bull by the horns and was making a great place to work. She was fair all the way around. She was terminated within two months. It appeared to us that they loved the tension, we were always wondering if we were next.


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It was hard for them to get RNs there was a $10,000 sign on bonus. There were RNs that were planning on giving it back to get out of there.


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kizzy, I've worked in similar situations. Did the RN tell you why you were being transferred? Can she back it up?

What is the grievance policy at your place of employment? If you do file one, remember, just state facts and not feelings.

You might consider the transfer a blessing if it gets you away from a toxic manager. But I sympathize with your feelings: I got pushed out of a job I loved because the DON didn't want LPNs in critical care

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squirmals you're saying administration did this? I've worked in those places too, fortunately as a traveler and could get out in 13 weeks, although I had several contracts cancelled by administrators who felt they no longer had a "need" for travelers. Since I was not the only traveler with a cancelled contract I knew it wasn't me they had an issue with. Sutter was/is a prime offender. Incidentally, they usually did this about two or three weeks before the contract was up so the bonus that was promised of course was not given.

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My plan is to become a traveler just so I don't have to deal with this. Sounds ideal, just when the politics sets in your on your way. I've worked with a lot of travel nurses and they were great.


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How does one practicing nurse protect themselves from the destructive, mean spirited, vindictive, manipulating, backstabbing sabatour?

Thats a tough one. Is this person a boss or just a co worker? If a co worker, maybe you should let a boss know what is going on. I have been blind sided a few times by co workers with this attitude...its never a pleasant experience. Sometimes jealosy is the culprit in these attacks...or sometime it is just part of someones nature to want to cut others down. sorry to hear it has happened to you.

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Wow. And I thought working with men was tough. My wife told me that women can be very hard to work with and I have seen it first hand, but this stuff takes the cake. Running away never solves anything, and I know there are some people who just can't , won't and don't like each other. There are even some who are so insecure that they see anyone with better skills as a threat and do what they can to undermine them. An old agage comes to mind "keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer" Have a sit down off site, a cup of coffee. Talk thru your differences, and know that just as a rock is always just a rock and cannot be expected to say, play piano, that there are some who do not change. but knowing your enemy and follow one simple rule CYA and yes playing politics is unfortunately a course. A trick I learned was to find one thing good that that person does and let them "accidentally" overhear me mentioning that to a superior once or twice goes along way. Good luck and I hope you can make sence of my rambelings.

MMMMHUM..... men can be tough...but I have found that some women are very hard to get along with, Women...from my experiences...tend to be very passive aggressive in their competition with other women. If I had to choose....I would like working with men as opposed to women . I dislike saying this,,,, but it is easier to deal with an open and direct man than a passive aggressive and cunning woman. I aggree wholeheartedly with that old addage... you must keep friends close and enemies closer. You make complete sense.

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squirmals said:

That's the biggest mistery in nursing. We are care givers and we tear each other apart. This is every where, I've worked in VA, WA, MT, CA and now WY and it is the same. It happens in Longterm and Acute care facilities. So many people complain about it but it never changes. We just had a seminar on nurse management and the reasoning they gave was the multiple stages in nursing...the veterens, the baby boomers, the generation x, all coming together and we all view are nursing, work ethics ect differently from the other generation. I guess it was kind of logical. Still there are so many beautiful, caring people in this field, you'd think we could tolerate each other without making life miserable.

Yes it is a mystery.... you would think that as a caregivers, we would make it a point to be kind and help each other as a team. I have posted on a different "venting" topic ...one about negative attitudes..... and have said that it is a "mental poison". It is like a cold... it makes you sick and spreads like wildfire if you dont take the proper precautions. The best advice I can give is to try "nipping it in the bud". The longer someone "puts up" with nasty behavior... the worse it gets. Also.... the addage "one bad apple spoils the bunch" applies.... one nasty and vindictive soul can ruin a whole floor of nurses. Be kind and caring... and be fair in competition. Thats the issue that underlies all this....competition. Its ... who can be the best, the fastest, the strongest, the most efficient... by any and all means necessary. Sad but true.

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Dmaze, in CA the management- admin was the leader of mean. They love, LOVED, to get rid of the current RN supervisor. They would start right after the nurse took the job. I was at that hosp for 4 yrs and we had 2-3 new nurse sup a year. We got a new manager that actually took the bull by the horns and was making a great place to work. She was fair all the way around. She was terminated within two months. It appeared to us that they loved the tension, we were always wondering if we were next.

This is so true, it is like they always get, rid of the ones that are fair. I live in Cali, and it is cut throat here. I see alot of Unit Directors sacrificing there nursing managers, if their jobs are at state. It is true, nurses does eat their young. I 've learned to persavere all these years in nursing, I am so glad to have been part of this wonderful profession. I am here for the patients, not bureacacy.


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I was told by a strong nurse manager and I completely agree with this, is to keep a journal, document what is happening, clearly, concisely, without emotion so you can present this to a manager, refute negativity when being set up and have proof.

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One facility I worked a lawyer came and spoke to us and told us never to keep a journal. It was something about it could be pulled into court if ever needed and known about. I think it's a good idea.


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No one has to know you keep a journal, but when confronted or asked to give details, or asked to write your side down you can go home, go over what you have written so the facts are clear in your mind. The journals I used to keep were written as much without emotion as I could possibly manage. If they wanted to call them into court, there was nothing in them which wasn't absolute fact from my perspective. However, I never kept my journals at work, they were written in the privacy of my home, after I calmed down. I did have other journals where I vented my angst and no one ever knew of those. They have all since been destroyed.

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squirmals said:

One facility I worked a lawyer came and spoke to us and told us never to keep a journal. It was something about it could be pulled into court if ever needed and known about. I think it's a good idea.

It is true that a journal or diary can be subpoenaed into court as evidence. I wouldn't keep a journal that complains about patients, staff, or administration, that is simply a rant, especially if it names names. That could be used to discredit your claims or portray you in a negative light.

However, documentation of negative events that is written clearly, without emotions, or "I feel" statements can benefit you both with administration and in the legal system. If you're documenting on a patient, don't write anything that you wouldn't either put in the chart, or put in an incident report. it should be a concise document to help you remember key facts if you are called to testify. However, if your charting is complete, then the chart can help you in that area, as can an incident report.

Don't make copies of incident reports to take home with you. Incident reports are considered privileged communications between you and risk management/legal counsel. But if you take a copy out of the facility, you breach the privilege, and what you put in that report can be subpoenaed by the opposing attorney.

If you are documenting purely for the purpose of showing to higher ups in administration, then once you complete that business with them, I would destroy the documentation.

Pretty much, document if you are in conflict with a manager and you need to defend yourself before administration. Don't document if you think you will be sued. Let the chart speak for itself.

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That is great advice, I will use it one day.


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I agree.. no one needs to know that you keep a journal, in fact, most real attorneys tell you to keep a journal that only you have access to. I customized a journal for myself, very simple.

Its pre stamped with:

Date.... Time..... Location.

Persons present or witness to the facts.....

Narrative of incident....

Each incident is a separate entry. Trust me, it's a valuable instrument for life in general

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I think part of our problem was some nurses were keeping journals in computers at work. All good advise from you all.


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