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I think that his choice is a kick in the face to all women. I think that this is just another way of him saying to women that we have no brains. He simply picked this airhead because she is female. Anyone who knows Clinton knows there is no comparison between these two women.
Way to go Ginny, except I called Palin a ditzy blonde who's really burnette, a substitute for McCain's  not so eloquent wife and America's "BARBIE". Well they didn't like my excerpt and took it out.  I guess I dont have the freedom of speech; and to think I was very careful with my wording.  I think , I'll post it here, since I'm not welcome there.

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I am very saddened by the posts that I see here. I am picking up on so many things that are not painting a very pretty picture of the nursing profession. It seems in the three topics here on the political discussion that there is no discussion. We can not all be Democrats and we can not all be Republicans.


We can all be a little more professional and open minded. We can all be more open to constructive criticism. I am in amazement of what everyone has stooped to here. I agree with deb, this is all ridiculous and so unprofessional.


If you can’t take it, don’t dish it out is what I was taught. .


 


I agree with you CD...


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Picking Sarah Palin was the BEST move the party could have made! I was there when he introduced her to Dayton, OH (my hometown). Sarah Palin is tough as nails, compassionate, and loves her country. She at least has done something with her life (mayor and govenor) instead of campaigning to be President. As far as the comment about Palin not letting women have choice over their bodies: please! Women have choice to not get pregnant! Abortion should not be birth control! Gov. Palin does believe in the exception where the mother's life is in danger, abortion should be an option. I agree with her on this point. Having known so many couples who want to adopt, abortion prevents this from happening. Go Google abortion and see pictures of fetuses dismembered, including being beheaded, and tell me how this is good for America. We have our own Holocaust in this nation and it's Roe vs. Wade and 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.

 


 


seriously....?  The government has NO RIGHT to tell ANYONE what they can and can't do to THEIR bodies.  period... As a nurse you need to be objective and keep your own values and beliefs to yourself...to do otherwise is unprofessional and biased.  I'm sure there are alot of people and possible patients that would not feel the way as you do..so err on the side of caution when you make blanket statements such as this. 

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Like I said in many of my other posts, I don't like either pick for president.  I think I was more for Hilary than anyone, but now I got these two to pick from and it's very slim pickings if you ask me.


 



I understand how people liked Hillary.  I did, too.  But, by the time I actually got to vote in the primary, it didn't really matter.  But, what I don't understand is how Hillary supporters can have a hard time deciding between Obama and McCain.  McCain is no where near Hillary in his belief system.  Did people really like Hillary just because she had a vagina?  Really.  Isn't that reverse sexism?  I just don't get it.  Sitting down and comparing Hillary with Barack, they have few differences (I like Hillary's health plan better, but at least Barack wants people to have health care.  Reading the McCain health care plan, I can't tell there is any difference between what he wants and what we have, except for re-importation of pharmaceuticals). 


So, it seems to be a slam dunk for Hillary supporters to choose Barack, unless it was just the female thing.  But, I'm proud to say I support Hillary because she's qualified, not just because she's a woman.  That would be an insult to women everywhere.

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Obama is NOT bringing the troops home. He has already said that he is sending them into Afghanistan.  Let me repeat that  HE WILL BE SENDING THEM INTO AFGHANISTAN.   Sorry, but If my husband has to go off to either Iraq or Afghanistan, due to recall, I will feel much more confident if McCain was in charge.  You are buying into a falsehood, if you think we will not have troops deployed no matter who is in charge.




You're right, I stand corrected.  It is now necessary for many of the troops to deploy from Iraq (where they never should have been) to Afghanistan (where they should have been from the beginning).  But, all of this would be moot had Bush-McCain not taken us to war in the first place... diverting our attention away from finding and destroying factions of Al Queda.  McCain must suffer the consequences of sending our men and women to a war that should never have been... and, more importantly, making the immoral decision to support torture.

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Sorry, but the troops will tell you that they have caught many of the head terrorists in Iraq.  While, I'm glad Sadaam is gone, he wasn't the only bad guy caught there. 

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I think that his choice is a kick in the face to all women. I think that this is just another way of him saying to women that we have no brains. He simply picked this airhead because she is female. Anyone who knows Clinton knows there is no comparison between these two women.

Are you kidding me?????????????  SHe has cleaned up Alaska... read up on what she'd done there!  She will win this campeign for McCain!



Oh, are you talking about the firing of her soon-to-be ex-brother-in-law?  Perhaps it isn't true, but it may be.  And, considering all the secrecy and lies we have suffered through for 8 years, I don't think we can afford another V.P. with control issues... and, possibly, fabrication of the truth isses.



****Let's not forget about the "The Bridge to Nowhere" by which Palin had asked for $400,000,000.00 earmark  for Alaska with a population of ~670, 000--ranking 47th in the whole USA.  Congress allowed  $223 million for the bridge despite Palin's push for the $400 million funding.  Congress felt the earmark of $400 million dollars to be abusive and excessive and thus was turned down.  Not until then did Palin back off.  However, she kept the initial $200,000,000.00+ that Congress provided for the Bridge. Palin defended her actions to be that of the need for a solid infrastructure.  But no worries, as we speak, Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) will be offering an amendment to the Senate’s appropriation bill to transfer the "$223 million that Congress had previously approved for a bridge in Alaska, to fund a bridge damaged by a hurricane in Louisiana.


***Then Palin on an interview with Charles Gibson continued to say that ---McCain and she are working together to control the abuse of  excessive earmarks. Isn't that what she just did, abuse the system??? Wake up and smell the coffee.  You can  climb the ladder of success without having much under your belt. A seductive smile here a sultry voice and a beautiful face can capture people's hearts....ooops,  I meant votes.


 

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 Sara Palin is going to be speaking in Ca this month and I have been invited earlier to day. I accepted so I will be interested as I know we all are in hearing her plans for the future when she makes Vice President. I will be video taping so I can pass along the facts she speaks before the democrats spin what she says of course they will spin anyways but I will have heard it first hand, I will keep everyone updated.


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I think that McCain picked Sarah Palin, to get the women's vote, I am not sure that this was his strongest pick for VP. Although I don't know much about Sarah Palin as of yet, however what I do know doesn't seem to impressive. Her seventeen year old daughter is pregnant, it seems as though she wasn't spending enough time with her daughter. Do we really want someone who cannot even spend enough time with her daughter to prevent this sort of thing from happening, to be the VP of the US, how do we know she will devote herself to this. Palin, also,  twisted the facts last night in her acceptance speech, she twisted the facts about her leadership in Alaska as well as the facts as well as the facts about the opponent, Obama.


 


Clearly McCain picked Sarah Palin, to play off the fact that many women voted for Hillary Clinton simply because she was a woman. Does McCain seriously think that us women are that stupid? Honestly, I don't think that McCain is that intelligent. Does serving our country make you credible to lead our country? NO not really, we as citizens of the US respect real experience. No offense to anyone who supports McCain, I personally think that the man is psycho!


*And Cindy McCain  is an airhead.  Have you heard her speak. She could make money thru product endorsements. All she needs to do is just tilt her head to the side a little bit and hold the product.  No wonder why McCain picked Palin. He knows he doesn't have a Michelle Obama , or a Hillary Clinton or a Jackie O. to catch him when he falls.


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Who is Sarah Palin? Here's some basic background:
 
She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage.
She has no foreign policy experience. 
 
Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.
 
She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 
 
Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.
 
She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.
 
She's solidly in line with John McCain's 'Big Oil first' energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.
 
How closely did John McCain vet this choice? He met Sarah Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.
 
 Alaska MoveOn members thought the rest of us should know about their governor.  Here's a sample:
 
"She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today." —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK
 
"She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska." —Christine B., Denali Park, AK
 
"As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be." —Karen L., Anchorage, AK
 
"Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position."—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK
 
"She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary." —Marina L., Juneau, AK
 
"I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on John McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting 'A Woman' in that position."—Jennifer M., Anchorage, AK
 
Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares John McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced.
In picking Sarah Palin, John McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country.

I don't know about you guys...but I'm voting for Obama 



****Kudos to you NursebadkittyRN. How in the world did you get all this information  ?*****

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I have awesome liberal friends in high places....if I tell you, well, then..you know...*jk*

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rusty: I love your insight and judgemnent



ginny:  guess what ...u spelled judgemnent wrong. it's   j u d g m e n t   , ha, ha , ha              

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Now, your slamming Palin about earmarks?  One that she ultimately decided against.  Have you did any research on Obama's earmark spending?


740 million dollars of requests, including 1 million$ for the hospital where his wife works.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html

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Barack Obama lost his bearings recently and said that he's campaigned in all 57 states.


And everybody chalked it up to,

'Well, he's just tired… you know, it's been such a long campaign, he's been so many places"


Every American school-age child knows we have 50 states!


Obama said he's campaigned in 57 states,

and it turns out that there are

57 ISLAMIC STATES!



Watch this video off youtube, and see for yourself. Obama's own speech. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRoPoKg7PAI


Did Obama just lose his bearings, or was this a more telling slip?


Someone running for President that forgets there are 50 states. Definitely not someone I would put my faith in to run this country.


 


 


Conspiracy is wonderful, especially when you don't have to back up your speculations....


It was a small slip up...  there are 57 "locations"  including states and territories (i.e., Guam, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands) from which the primary candidates can get their voting delegates. 


Stop reading your email crap from right wing wackos.  This country is in the terrible state it is in because too many people read those crappy emails in 2004.


 


 


Way to go Rusty!!!.


 


 



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Like I said in many of my other posts, I don't like either pick for president.  I think I was more for Hilary than anyone, but now I got these two to pick from and it's very slim pickings if you ask me.


 



I understand how people liked Hillary.  I did, too.  But, by the time I actually got to vote in the primary, it didn't really matter.  But, what I don't understand is how Hillary supporters can have a hard time deciding between Obama and McCain.  McCain is no where near Hillary in his belief system.  Did people really like Hillary just because she had a vagina?  Really.  Isn't that reverse sexism?  I just don't get it.  Sitting down and comparing Hillary with Barack, they have few differences (I like Hillary's health plan better, but at least Barack wants people to have health care.  Reading the McCain health care plan, I can't tell there is any difference between what he wants and what we have, except for re-importation of pharmaceuticals). 


So, it seems to be a slam dunk for Hillary supporters to choose Barack, unless it was just the female thing.  But, I'm proud to say I support Hillary because she's qualified, not just because she's a woman.  That would be an insult to women everywhere.



Yeah, I didn't like her just cause she was a woman.  I did like her healthcare plan alot.  I am looking at their policies instead of their genitals.  I am definately voting for Obama, because McCain is way too much like Bush and we don't need another one of those in office. I am just so frustrated because people will say anything to get into office and then once they are there they screw us over.  I am looking forward to the debates to see how they go.   I have some friends who wanted Ron Paul and they are still putting his name on their ballot.  They might as well not even vote then.

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Now, your slamming Palin about earmarks?  One that she ultimately decided against.  Have you did any research on Obama's earmark spending?


740 million dollars of requests, including 1 million$ for the hospital where his wife works.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html


 


If you like the NY Times so much, why don't you read this?


 



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin

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So you send me to an editorial page?  I can pull an editorial page with anyone's opinion off of anyone's newspaper.   There is a big difference between a pundit and news?  Do I really need to explain that?


If we're going to quote quotes, I'm going directly to the source.  Barack's Message of 'Change' is over 25 years old.  In his book "Dreams from my Father"  He is quoted as saying


Page 133 "In 1983, I decided to become a community organizer.  There wasn't much detail to the idea;  I didn't know anyone making a living that way.  When classmates in college asked what it was that a community orgnanizer did, I couldn't answer them directly.  Instead, I'd pronounce the need for change.  Change in the White House, Where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds.  Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt.  Change in the mood of the country, manic and self absorbed.  Change WON'T COME FROM THE TOP, I WOULD SAY.  CHANGE WILL COME FROM A MOBILIZED GRASS ROOTS' 


Caps are mine.  So please tell me in the 20 plus years of singing the song of change, what change has he brought?  Additionally, it sounds like when he doesn't know what he has to do in a job, he sings change.  Kind of makes me think he doesn't know what the job of being President entails.

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First of all, in 1983 Barack Obama was the ripe old age of 22. 


Second of all, again an exerpt is taken out of context. There is a great deal more following this particular exerpt. 


Obama went to a muslim school in Indonesia for two years and two years to a catholic school.  From what I've been reading, he was not raised in any formal religion.  His father left Hawaii when he was two years old and he had no contact with his father until he was much older. 


Yes, I said I wasn't going to post anymore in the politcal arena, but it was such a blatant misrepresentation of his book, I couldn't resist

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Sorry, but the troops will tell you that they have caught many of the head terrorists in Iraq.  While, I'm glad Sadaam is gone, he wasn't the only bad guy caught there. 



How many people have innocent people have died there in Iraq?  Should we head next to Darfur?  Perhaps we should attack Russia next?  The fact that some terrorists have been caught and killed is not adequate justification. How many terrorists have we caught/killed?  Now, divide that number into 1 TRILLION dollars.  If the American people knew the real costs of this war, do you think they would have approved of it?  And, those are just the financial costs.  How many new terrorists do you think this wrong-minded WAR has spawned?  They aren't just in Iraq, I can tell you that!

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Now, your slamming Palin about earmarks?  One that she ultimately decided against.  Have you did any research on Obama's earmark spending?


740 million dollars of requests, including 1 million$ for the hospital where his wife works.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/14/us/politics/14campaign.html


 


If you like the NY Times so much, why don't you read this?


 



http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/13/opinion/13herbert.html?_r=1&ei=5070&emc=eta1&oref=slogin



As Charlie Gibson stated in his interview with her... she requested 10X as much in earmarks (on a per capita basis) as Barack.  But, of course, in her standard double-speak... its not an earmark if she does it.


Also, it should be noted that Barack is the ONLY senator that has full transparency regarding his earmarks.  The way the wacky system works in Washington is that a senator can earmark monies, but doesn't have to put his or her name on it.  So, at least we agree that there's a problem.

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Here's some sunshine for you Barack fans out there.... and, its just sunshine.  I have no clue how much of an overall difference this will make.  But, I live in a very conservative city/region (Bible Belt).  I was doing phone banking for Barack last weekend.  I had several "little ol' ladies" tell me that were leaning toward McCain.  But, they can't stand Palin, so they were starting to lean toward Obama... and they requested I send them some information.  They were particularly happy to hear that the Obama tax plan will not tax the first $50K of income for retirees. 


Again, what actually comes of this is anybody's guess.  But, I loved hearing these sweet ol' ladies saying they can't stand Palin!


Little ol' ladies rock!!!


 


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 Rusty I hope you did not get lost too like I did trying to find Obamas site and posts. Let me know if I can help you out. Hugs always Patty


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Picking Sarah Palin was the BEST move the party could have made! I was there when he introduced her to Dayton, OH (my hometown). Sarah Palin is tough as nails, compassionate, and loves her country. She at least has done something with her life (mayor and govenor) instead of campaigning to be President. As far as the comment about Palin not letting women have choice over their bodies: please! Women have choice to not get pregnant! Abortion should not be birth control! Gov. Palin does believe in the exception where the mother's life is in danger, abortion should be an option. I agree with her on this point. Having known so many couples who want to adopt, abortion prevents this from happening. Go Google abortion and see pictures of fetuses dismembered, including being beheaded, and tell me how this is good for America. We have our own Holocaust in this nation and it's Roe vs. Wade and 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.

What about the women who are raped? They didn't chose to get pregnant or even have sex. Palin believes that although we should respect her daughters "decision" to keep her child that other women can't be trusted to make the same "decision" for themselves? I agree that abortion should not be a form of birth control and that there should be controls on it and better education as to preventative measures, not just abstinence, that Palin pushes for. If she becomes VP and pushes for abstinence only teaching (mind you...not all parents take the role as educator in this country no matter how hard it's pushed) then what happens to the young people who aren't educated enough to make a decision and don't understand the avenues they can turn to for preventative measures. Then we have more and more unwanted pregnancies, back alley abortions if Palin gets Roe v Wade overturned, and young sexually uneducated young women lying dead in the streets after hemmorhage from having a hanger stuck into their cervix.

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Here's some sunshine for you Barack fans out there.... and, its just sunshine.  I have no clue how much of an overall difference this will make.  But, I live in a very conservative city/region (Bible Belt).  I was doing phone banking for Barack last weekend.  I had several "little ol' ladies" tell me that were leaning toward McCain.  But, they can't stand Palin, so they were starting to lean toward Obama... and they requested I send them some information.  They were particularly happy to hear that the Obama tax plan will not tax the first $50K of income for retirees. 


Again, what actually comes of this is anybody's guess.  But, I loved hearing these sweet ol' ladies saying they can't stand Palin!


Little ol' ladies rock!!!


 




Yay! That did put a smile on my face. It's nice to read a post on here that makes me smile!

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GOOOO OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I WENT TO SINCLAIR COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND CAPITAL UNIVERSITY IN THE LATE 1980'S AND EARLY 1990'S. LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU FELLOW NURSING STUDENTS.

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 Sara Palin is going to be speaking in Ca this month and I have been invited earlier to day. I accepted so I will be interested as I know we all are in hearing her plans for the future when she makes Vice President. I will be video taping so I can pass along the facts she speaks before the democrats spin what she says of course they will spin anyways but I will have heard it first hand, I will keep everyone updated.



Democrats don't need to spin what Sarah Palin has to say.... its full of spin already.  What the Democrats are doing is trying to UnSpin what she says so that Americans know the truth.  She has been less than honest and I believe you know this Abusy.  You could not possibly watch her interview with Charlie Gibson and not realize that she didn't like calling what she was doing as earmarking.  She kept saying what she was doing is what governors do to get resources to their state.  That's fine.  I understand that that is what governors do.  But, that is the same thing as earmarking and she says she didn't do it.  But, she did.

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Picking Sarah Palin was the BEST move the party could have made! I was there when he introduced her to Dayton, OH (my hometown). Sarah Palin is tough as nails, compassionate, and loves her country. She at least has done something with her life (mayor and govenor) instead of campaigning to be President. As far as the comment about Palin not letting women have choice over their bodies: please! Women have choice to not get pregnant! Abortion should not be birth control! Gov. Palin does believe in the exception where the mother's life is in danger, abortion should be an option. I agree with her on this point. Having known so many couples who want to adopt, abortion prevents this from happening. Go Google abortion and see pictures of fetuses dismembered, including being beheaded, and tell me how this is good for America. We have our own Holocaust in this nation and it's Roe vs. Wade and 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.

What about the women who are raped? They didn't chose to get pregnant or even have sex. Palin believes that although we should respect her daughters "decision" to keep her child that other women can't be trusted to make the same "decision" for themselves? I agree that abortion should not be a form of birth control and that there should be controls on it and better education as to preventative measures, not just abstinence, that Palin pushes for. If she becomes VP and pushes for abstinence only teaching (mind you...not all parents take the role as educator in this country no matter how hard it's pushed) then what happens to the young people who aren't educated enough to make a decision and don't understand the avenues they can turn to for preventative measures. Then we have more and more unwanted pregnancies, back alley abortions if Palin gets Roe v Wade overturned, and young sexually uneducated young women lying dead in the streets after hemmorhage from having a hanger stuck into their cervix.



I guarantee you, there have not been 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.  That is false information spread by barbarians who don't want women to have access to adeaquate health care.  And, yes, they believe every conception is sacred, regardless of the impregnation method.  So, apparently, rape is ordained by God.  If that's the God they worship, count me out.  However, I believe in a beautiful God and if you do too, please join me at church on Sunday.... there you'll hear a message of Love (not Hate), Grace (not Judgment), and Redemption (not eternal damnation).

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Picking Sarah Palin was the BEST move the party could have made! I was there when he introduced her to Dayton, OH (my hometown). Sarah Palin is tough as nails, compassionate, and loves her country. She at least has done something with her life (mayor and govenor) instead of campaigning to be President. As far as the comment about Palin not letting women have choice over their bodies: please! Women have choice to not get pregnant! Abortion should not be birth control! Gov. Palin does believe in the exception where the mother's life is in danger, abortion should be an option. I agree with her on this point. Having known so many couples who want to adopt, abortion prevents this from happening. Go Google abortion and see pictures of fetuses dismembered, including being beheaded, and tell me how this is good for America. We have our own Holocaust in this nation and it's Roe vs. Wade and 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.

What about the women who are raped? They didn't chose to get pregnant or even have sex. Palin believes that although we should respect her daughters "decision" to keep her child that other women can't be trusted to make the same "decision" for themselves? I agree that abortion should not be a form of birth control and that there should be controls on it and better education as to preventative measures, not just abstinence, that Palin pushes for. If she becomes VP and pushes for abstinence only teaching (mind you...not all parents take the role as educator in this country no matter how hard it's pushed) then what happens to the young people who aren't educated enough to make a decision and don't understand the avenues they can turn to for preventative measures. Then we have more and more unwanted pregnancies, back alley abortions if Palin gets Roe v Wade overturned, and young sexually uneducated young women lying dead in the streets after hemmorhage from having a hanger stuck into their cervix.



I guarantee you, there have not been 40,000,000 abortions in 35 years.  That is false information spread by barbarians who don't want women to have access to adeaquate health care.  And, yes, they believe every conception is sacred, regardless of the impregnation method.  So, apparently, rape is ordained by God.  If that's the God they worship, count me out.  However, I believe in a beautiful God and if you do too, please join me at church on Sunday.... there you'll hear a message of Love (not Hate), Grace (not Judgment), and Redemption (not eternal damnation).



I agree w/ you Rusty. Kudos! I go to a private Christian college in my area and I thought it would be such an enriching environment but I haven't found much to that. Most of the students are extremists who claim to be god fearing. Why should we fear God when he's suppose to love us so much? I can't say that all of the students there are like that, I've met some wonderful people, but sometimes sitting in the cafeteria hearing conversations, usually by the traditional 18-20 yr old students that scares the h*** out of me.


PS. I'm going to try and find some actual evidence to the # of abortions/year. I'm curious to see what the #'s are that aren't pushed by people who are releasing info for an agenda.

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I was never a fan of John McCain; I was going to vote for Hillary. I will  never vote for Obama. I'm from Illinois and I know who and what he is. He is product of our corrupt political machine. We sent one governor to prison and the next is going to be indited soon. Barack chose a running mate that is old washington politics as usual. Barack did nothing in our state legislature in Illinois, he ran an uncontested race for the Senate seat he holds. He was in Washington less than 4 months before he announced he was running for President. He has no experience, he is all talk. He can give a great speech but that doesn't mean he can actually do the job. McCain was brilliant when he picked Sarah Palin. She is a mother, a christian, and has experience. She is also not from Washington. She has a proven record of fighting for what the people in Alaska need and winning. Winning against the establishment. She is exactly the kind of person we need in Washington. She will help keep McCain honest and call him out when he's doing the wrong thing. McCain is trying to show the American people he wants to make changes and he's not going to be business as usual. If he was, he could have picked any number of people for the VP spot. He was bold and daring and surprised people in Washington. They are pissed because he didn't follow protocol. I love it. I love Sarah Palin. The more I know about her the more convinced I am that she is exactly what I want for the VP. I have to ask; if people question her experience and are worried about her being the VP. How can they even consider voting for Barack Obama for President when he has less experience than Sarah Palin.

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Obviously w/ Palin being so "anti-choice" I decided to look up some facts from the CDC and WHO regarding abortion rates in this country, after I read it was 40,000,000 (which I didn't find) and maternal mortality. I included links so that it to prevent dispute that I made up these numbers and I used credible sources. This is what I found:



Since 1990, pregnancy rates have declined substantially for teenagers aged 15--17 years. From 1990 to 2000, the pregnancy rate decreased 33%, from 80.3 per 1,000 females to 53.5, a record low. The birth rate declined 42%, from its peak at 38.6 in 1991 to 22.4 in 2003. The induced abortion rate peaked in 1983 at 30.7 and decreased by more than half to 14.5 by 2000. http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/births.htm.


13,629,532 abortions according to the CDC since 1972-1999 w/ Texas having the highest rate and girls under the age of 15 having the hightest ratio of abortions/1000 live births. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5109a1.htm



Since the legalization of abortion in the US the fatality rate has dropped from 4.1 to 0.6/100,000 abortions done. Before the legalization of abortion the fatality rate was 39. As of 1998 only 9 women have died from legal abortion and obviously none have died from illegal abortion.



In 2004, 839,226 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. This total represents a 1.1 percent decrease from the 848,163 abortions reported for 2003. The abortion ratio for 2004 decreased since 2003. The ratio was 238 legal induced abortions per 1,000 live births in 2004. In 2004, the abortion rate was 16 per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years of age, the same since 2000. For the same 47 reporting areas, the abortion rate remained relatively constant during 1998–2004. As in the past, a higher number of abortions were obtained by white women, unmarried women, and women under 25 years of age. More than half (61%) of the reported legal induced abortions were performed during the first 8 weeks of gestation; 88% were performed within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. Source: MMWR 2007;56(SS-9);1–33. http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/Data_Stats/Abortion.htm


According to WHO: Categories of causes of Maternal Death

A significant 23.7% were indirect causes (commonest heart disease). Anaemia was an important cause in the plantation sector. Postpartum haemorrhage was by far the leading direct cause of death followed by hypertensive disorders of pregnancy. A significant finding was that abortion was the third leading direct cause (the great majority are criminal abortions). http://www.searo.who.int/en/Section1243/Section1310/Section1343/Section1344/Section1356_5336.htm

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