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 Thank you Kittyrn for clearing up some of the points, again I posted that I had NOT had a chance to verify ALL the facts, only posting info so we can ALL start researching and finding the truth about BOTH sides. I think it is hypocritical for Obamas team to slam Palin and her daughter for being pregnant and unmarried at 17, when Obamas mother was also pregnant and unmarried at 17 WITH HIM! What a hypocrit! I agree that children should be left OUT of this mess, please focus on the ISSUES! Where are Obamas ISSUES, all he ever says is "Change" change what exactly?



STOP IT!  STOP IT!  STOP IT!


Obama's campaign is NOT attacking Palin and her PREGNANT daughter.  I am!  But, Obama clearly stated he would fire anyone in his campaign staff who attacked the children.  I should hope you would at least respect him for that.


Bush did not do the same when the SWIFT BOATers did the same to Kerry...


 

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I believe her experience with the Military is Commander in Chief of the Alaskan National Guard.  As part of that roll she has been to Iraq in 2007.  Additionally, the Alaskan National Guard is one of the few units that is part of the National Defense Missile System dealing with intercepter missiles working to intercept ICBM's (intercontinental ballistic missiles).  Her son is deploying (today???) and is part of the first Stryker Brigade (godspeed to him and all our soldiers!!!). 



Oh, for F-ing Pete's Sake!  You will grasp at straws just to justify your vote.  The woman couldn't manage a town of 5,000 people so she hired a city manager.  How's that for management ability and graft!

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I adore her! When she spoke, it gave me chills.  She is so new and refreshing.  She is change.  America needs a "super mom" the whip her into shape.  I am pro-life because I believe that life begins at conception, and even before, as God knows who will be born and when.  As a country we can only give so much and accumulate so much debt.  Me must begin to concentrate on our own problems, our own citizens in need.  As for the oil issue, I believe that's the only thing I disagree with her on.  Overall, I think she will bring great change to our country....... much more "change"  than NObama.  I do consider myself ultra-conservative. 


I do not think McCain chose her because she is a woman.  I think the fact that she has female parts is just a plus.  I think he was looking for someone different, new, and as far outside of Washington as possible.  He saw that many people were grasping for someone out of the norm, and that he is trying to appeal more to right wingers by bringing in someone more conservative than himself. 


I am always for a candidate with military experience........ who better to be head of the military than a vet?


 


P.S.... Who care's if he's old?  Anyone can die at any given day or time.  If it's your time, it's your time.  People don't die in order of age


 


At least you're voting for McCain for McCain.  I just can't understand people voting for McCain in order to get Palin.  Would you vote for McCain otherwise?  Is he the one you voted for in the Primary?  How early was your primary.  For example, my mother is voting McCain, despite having always hated him (he's too liberal for her)... her Primary candidate was the Mormon former governor of Mass (whose name is escaping me right now.... a senior moment.)


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"And Mc Cain says he will find and catch Bin Ladin as he knows how and Obama can't.  Well what is he waiting for???  Why keep this plan a big secret?"


 


I have not heard him say this, but I agree with you if its true.  He's not much of a patriot if he's sitting on this information?!!!!!!  It doesn't bode well for his judgment.

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I find it funny that all of a sudden, McCain is talking "change" Wonder how he is going to do that? He was Right there with George W nearly every single time.

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CD... YES YES YES!!!  Thank You for bringing up that point!!


*wish I would have thought of that myself* 

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I find it funny that all of a sudden, McCain is talking "change" Wonder how he is going to do that? He was Right there with George W nearly every single time.



Every independent-minded person in this country, with critical thinking skills, ought to be able to tell that the GOP co-opted the "Change" theme... repackaged their candidates and figured they could pull the wool over a good number of people in this country.  And, based upon the tricks the Party wants to play, realize that they are willing to sell their souls to keep the Republicans in control of a country that has suffered for 8 years.  Also, based upon that, they ought to refuse to vote for McCain/Palin.  They, personally, may be about change (I don't think so, but for the sake of argument).... but, the GOP LOVES where this country is right now!!!  They will make sure it stays this way.  Trust me.  If McCain gets in office... we will be in exactly the same place we are today, or worse!


I have been around the block more than once.  The Republicans love the country the way it is and will make sure CHANGE DOES NOT HAPPEN!  I'd bet my life on it.  (I'd bet my retirement on it, but I have no more retirement funds!)


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McCain/Palin.......they have my vote!!!!!

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Obama/Biden:  the thinking person's candidate!

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I recently watched and have done some reading on Palin and I cringe when I hear her voice. I can not believe some of the things she has said and people really need to take a look at her before just voting for her because she is a "working mom" because frankly aren't all mothers working mothers? Even when I was a stay at home mom I worked my butt off for no pay and the job didn't have an 8 to 5 timeclock, it was 24 hours. When elected into office she fired most of the staff working because they didn't agree with her! Can we go back to kindergarten please? I'm not going to be your friend cause you don't like the same barbie as me. She basically wanted to rid any political office in Alaska w/ people who didn't support her and had thoughts of their own. Apparently free thoughts and the right to our own beliefs should not be a value in the American society.


Secondly, she is pro-choice, which I completely respect a persons own beliefs, but to go the extent to say that I would not allow my own daughter to have an abortion after a rape. That's horrific! I am a mother and that is why I'm pro-choice cause I can not imagine the day where my daughter was sitting in a room telling me that she was raped and now she's pregnant and the only thing I could say is "well, that sucks for you, get ready for 9 mos." How cruel is that. As a victim of sexual abuse myself I would NEVER EVER EVER tell someone that they are not allowed to terminate the pregnancy and have that daily reminder of the horrible trauma they went through. And what is a girl was raped by a family member and got pregnant? Medically speaking, the combination of similar DNA can be devestating and can lead to so many problems physically, psychologically, and socially. I guess in the cases we hear about on TV where girls are raped by their fathers, they have to keep pregnancies where the child is not only their child but their sibling. Plus, she stated in an interview that it was her daughters "decision" to keep her child. So basically, yes while I respect her daughters decision to keep her child, she had a CHOICE and yet if Palin becomes VP then she is going to make sure that the rest of the women in this country do not have a choice like her daughter did. I would like to be able to think for myself in this country. I think that upon an unexpected pregnancy that I could come to a decision that was best for me and that it's up to me and not the leaders of this country who know nothing about me.


Then, Palin stands at her congregation and speaks of our mission (yes, I did watch it) from God to send our troops to Iraq. Hmmm....sounds familiar doesn't it? That's because it is the same extremist belief of the people who flew our planes into the World Trade Center! They believed they were on a mission from God and Palin feels that we are as well. How can we as a society say that the men who killed over 2,000 people in one day are the spawns of the devil and then elect someone for the VP ticket who has the same beliefs? She's not any different from Muslim extremists...she's just a Christian extremist.


Oh and before I forget. She is so pro-oil...hmmm.....wonder why? I wonder why she has sued the govt for declaring whales and polar bears as endangered species which would not allow the big oil to drill in ANWR. Gee, because her husband works for BP! Why is it that people do not seem to see the link between the Republican party and the oil industry. How many Republican politicians do not have ties to big oil? Not many so while we are all paying upwards of $4/gallon for gas...their pockets are getting fatter and fatter.

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I think this is a catch 22.  People have got to decide what topics are important to them.  If it comes down to the "abortion" issue, go ahead and vote for McCain/Palin, BUT remember, there are people's sons, daughters, fathers that are getting killed over in Iraq, for what?  Because of a "hunch".  Remember, that 9/11 was the responsibility of Al Qaeda NOT Iraq.  I would rather have a president that would be tough on foreign policies and stop the war.  If we get McCain/Palin, they will attack Russia, then we will be in more hurt than before.  Also, even though I do commend Palin for raising a baby with Downs Syndrome, there are plenty of other folks that raise Downs Syndrome babies.  They are just trying to pull at the heart strings.  Just because Hillary did so well, does not exactly mean that Palin will boost his campaign.  We have got to think, if something happens, would Palin be able to run the country if anything would happen to McCain?  McCain isn't the "spring chicken" he once was. 

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I think this is a catch 22.  People have got to decide what topics are important to them.  If it comes down to the "abortion" issue, go ahead and vote for McCain/Palin, BUT remember, there are people's sons, daughters, fathers that are getting killed over in Iraq, for what?  Because of a "hunch".  Remember, that 9/11 was the responsibility of Al Qaeda NOT Iraq.  I would rather have a president that would be tough on foreign policies and stop the war.  If we get McCain/Palin, they will attack Russia, then we will be in more hurt than before.  Also, even though I do commend Palin for raising a baby with Downs Syndrome, there are plenty of other folks that raise Downs Syndrome babies.  They are just trying to pull at the heart strings.  Just because Hillary did so well, does not exactly mean that Palin will boost his campaign.  We have got to think, if something happens, would Palin be able to run the country if anything would happen to McCain?  McCain isn't the "spring chicken" he once was. 

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I think this is a catch 22.  People have got to decide what topics are important to them.  If it comes down to the "abortion" issue, go ahead and vote for McCain/Palin, BUT remember, there are people's sons, daughters, fathers that are getting killed over in Iraq, for what?  Because of a "hunch".  Remember, that 9/11 was the responsibility of Al Qaeda NOT Iraq.  I would rather have a president that would be tough on foreign policies and stop the war.  If we get McCain/Palin, they will attack Russia, then we will be in more hurt than before.  Also, even though I do commend Palin for raising a baby with Downs Syndrome, there are plenty of other folks that raise Downs Syndrome babies.  They are just trying to pull at the heart strings.  Just because Hillary did so well, does not exactly mean that Palin will boost his campaign.  We have got to think, if something happens, would Palin be able to run the country if anything would happen to McCain?  McCain isn't the "spring chicken" he once was. 



I agree. I think it's been forgotten that Al Qaeda attacked our towers and the Pentagon and not Iraq. I commend Palin for having a child w/ Down Syndrome but I have to wonder how much of the raising she is actually doing. She went back to work just days after the delivery so how much quality time did she have w/ her new baby and how will her belief that because she went right back to work affect the 6 wks that woman get here? In other countries women get up to 3 years depending on where they live and I think that is completely honorable. I believe that it is important for a new mom to be w/ her new baby to develop that bond and I would hate the see the 6 wks woman are granted now, diminished because Palin didn't "want' it.


I also have to question a previous post, although I have no idea who did it, that stated that Obama is bad because he is a "former" smoker. Okay, granted, smoking isn't the best decision that a person can make for their health, but even with that we aren't seriously looking at the VP becoming president. McCain has health problems already and people are knocking Obama for something that hasn't even developed into a health issue.

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I recently watched and have done some reading on Palin and I cringe when I hear her voice. I can not believe some of the things she has said and people really need to take a look at her before just voting for her because she is a "working mom" because frankly aren't all mothers working mothers? Even when I was a stay at home mom I worked my butt off for no pay and the job didn't have an 8 to 5 timeclock, it was 24 hours. When elected into office she fired most of the staff working because they didn't agree with her! Can we go back to kindergarten please? I'm not going to be your friend cause you don't like the same barbie as me. She basically wanted to rid any political office in Alaska w/ people who didn't support her and had thoughts of their own. Apparently free thoughts and the right to our own beliefs should not be a value in the American society.


Secondly, she is pro-choice, which I completely respect a persons own beliefs, but to go the extent to say that I would not allow my own daughter to have an abortion after a rape. That's horrific! I am a mother and that is why I'm pro-choice cause I can not imagine the day where my daughter was sitting in a room telling me that she was raped and now she's pregnant and the only thing I could say is "well, that sucks for you, get ready for 9 mos." How cruel is that. As a victim of sexual abuse myself I would NEVER EVER EVER tell someone that they are not allowed to terminate the pregnancy and have that daily reminder of the horrible trauma they went through. And what is a girl was raped by a family member and got pregnant? Medically speaking, the combination of similar DNA can be devestating and can lead to so many problems physically, psychologically, and socially. I guess in the cases we hear about on TV where girls are raped by their fathers, they have to keep pregnancies where the child is not only their child but their sibling. Plus, she stated in an interview that it was her daughters "decision" to keep her child. So basically, yes while I respect her daughters decision to keep her child, she had a CHOICE and yet if Palin becomes VP then she is going to make sure that the rest of the women in this country do not have a choice like her daughter did. I would like to be able to think for myself in this country. I think that upon an unexpected pregnancy that I could come to a decision that was best for me and that it's up to me and not the leaders of this country who know nothing about me.


Then, Palin stands at her congregation and speaks of our mission (yes, I did watch it) from God to send our troops to Iraq. Hmmm....sounds familiar doesn't it? That's because it is the same extremist belief of the people who flew our planes into the World Trade Center! They believed they were on a mission from God and Palin feels that we are as well. How can we as a society say that the men who killed over 2,000 people in one day are the spawns of the devil and then elect someone for the VP ticket who has the same beliefs? She's not any different from Muslim extremists...she's just a Christian extremist.


Oh and before I forget. She is so pro-oil...hmmm.....wonder why? I wonder why she has sued the govt for declaring whales and polar bears as endangered species which would not allow the big oil to drill in ANWR. Gee, because her husband works for BP! Why is it that people do not seem to see the link between the Republican party and the oil industry. How many Republican politicians do not have ties to big oil? Not many so while we are all paying upwards of $4/gallon for gas...their pockets are getting fatter and fatter.



Frankly, the characteristics of Palin that make people want to vote for her... I can find in at least a dozen of my friends, including the vagina!  She seems shrill and overly confident.  When asked about the whether she can be president she says, "I am ready to be president" in a voice that could cause paint to peel.  Where's the humilty?  You can be confident and  strong with statements like, "Of course, its a huge task to be president of this country.  But, I will tackle the role like I have tackled every role, previously.  Yes, it won't be perfectly smooth, what transition is?  But, I believe I can do this and I look forward to the challenge."  ..... oh, doesn't that sound much better?  It would certainly go a long way toward helping me not dispise her so much.  As it is now, she sounds like a playground bully and somebody (i.e., the so-called liberal media) needs to stand up to her and ask her to give truthful answers about why she is so confident.  She's all bluster.

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My vote is leaning more towards Obama, even though I am not too happy about either one of them.  I don't mnd having a women in office, but I don't think she has enough experience to run a country.  I think she has enough on her plate with her children.  If she becomes the VP, her children will suffer, I think.  When I heard who he picked, I thought he screwed himself.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  I am looking forward to the debates coming up.

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"I think she has enough on her plate with her children. If she becomes the VP, her children will suffer, I think."


You don't hear anyone saying that about the men in office from the President to Congress. It has been the Liberals that have been pushing for womens rights for all these years, cutting down women that want to stay home and take care of their children instead of focusing on their career. Now here we have a conservative that has a career and the liberals are jumping on her for neglecting her children. I don't hear the conservatives attacking her for this move. She has her husband supporting her and their children, he looks very capable of caring for their children.


Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time.

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lizbaby75tn stated


"I think she has enough on her plate with her children. If she becomes the VP, her children will suffer, I think."


You don't hear anyone saying that about the men in office from the President to Congress. It has been the Liberals that have been pushing for womens rights for all these years, cutting down women that want to stay home and take care of their children instead of focusing on their career. Now here we have a conservative that has a career and the liberals are jumping on her for neglecting her children. I don't hear the conservatives attacking her for this move. She has her husband supporting her and their children, he looks very capable of caring for their children.



Please don't say that liberals have been cutting down women who want to stay at home to take care of their children.  I have NEVER met anyone who derides a woman for choosing to stay at home with her children.  In fact, more often than not, I have noticed a tendency for Extremists on the Right side of the aisle blaming women for NOT staying home with their children and, thus, contributing to the moral decay of this society.  I have friends on both sides of the political aisle and, at least in my experience, both sides have roughly the same proportion of stay-at-home moms.  Some of the most liberal parents I know had a stay-at-home mom.  And, while I was technically not a stay-at-home dad, I did leave a lucrative career so that I could work part-time and be at home with my son in the afternoon.


I have not attacked Sarah Palin for her choice to leave her children in the hands of others.  What I have attacked is the hypocrisy of her life.  She is quick to judge others, via her faith, for their life choices while at the same time, making similar life choices... or, if not similar choices, making choices that work best for them.  I am particularly appalled that the church she belongs to is hosting a "pray the gay away" meeting, guaranteeing to get rid of the gayness of those for whom are prayed.  And... homosexuality isn't even a life choice.  Strong evidence suggests a biological basis (as a biochemist, I've reviewed some of the literature).  So, I don't care what choices Sarah Palin makes, I just ask that she not judge others for the choices they make.  Sadly, she doesn't seem capable of withholding judgment of others.

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From yesterday's www.factcheck.org:


 


A McCain-Palin TV ad accuses Obama of being "disrespectful" of Palin, but it distorts quotes to make the case.
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The McCain-Palin campaign has released a new TV ad that distorts quotes from the Obama campaign. It takes words out of context to make it sound as though the Democratic ticket is belittling Palin:

  • The ad says "they said she was doing 'what she was told.' " But the Obama adviser who's being quoted didn't accuse Palin of meekly following orders. What he actually said is that she made a false claim about Obama's legislative record and added, "maybe that's what she was told."



    • It says "they lashed out at Sarah Palin; dismissed her as 'good looking,' " But "they" didn't lash out at all. Obama – who is the one pictured – didn't say anything like that. The only one the McCain campaign quotes is Obama's running mate, Biden, and he actually offered the remark as a compliment. Biden said the "obvious" difference between Palin and himself is "she's good looking."



    • The ad says Obama was "disrespectful" when he accused Palin of "lying" about her record. But the truth is Palin's claim to have "said no" to the "bridge to nowhere" is indeed a dubious one, as we and many have pointed out.


Like I have mentioned before... moderates and liberals are attacking Sarah Palin's record... but, Obama and Biden have not attacked her for anything related to her motherhood (i.e., sexists remarks).

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lizbaby75tn stated


"I think she has enough on her plate with her children. If she becomes the VP, her children will suffer, I think."


You don't hear anyone saying that about the men in office from the President to Congress. It has been the Liberals that have been pushing for womens rights for all these years, cutting down women that want to stay home and take care of their children instead of focusing on their career. Now here we have a conservative that has a career and the liberals are jumping on her for neglecting her children. I don't hear the conservatives attacking her for this move. She has her husband supporting her and their children, he looks very capable of caring for their children.



Please don't say that liberals have been cutting down women who want to stay at home to take care of their children.  I have NEVER met anyone who derides a woman for choosing to stay at home with her children.  In fact, more often than not, I have noticed a tendency for Extremists on the Right side of the aisle blaming women for NOT staying home with their children and, thus, contributing to the moral decay of this society.  I have friends on both sides of the political aisle and, at least in my experience, both sides have roughly the same proportion of stay-at-home moms.  Some of the most liberal parents I know had a stay-at-home mom.  And, while I was technically not a stay-at-home dad, I did leave a lucrative career so that I could work part-time and be at home with my son in the afternoon.


I have not attacked Sarah Palin for her choice to leave her children in the hands of others.  What I have attacked is the hypocrisy of her life.  She is quick to judge others, via her faith, for their life choices while at the same time, making similar life choices... or, if not similar choices, making choices that work best for them.  I am particularly appalled that the church she belongs to is hosting a "pray the gay away" meeting, guaranteeing to get rid of the gayness of those for whom are prayed.  And... homosexuality isn't even a life choice.  Strong evidence suggests a biological basis (as a biochemist, I've reviewed some of the literature).  So, I don't care what choices Sarah Palin makes, I just ask that she not judge others for the choices they make.  Sadly, she doesn't seem capable of withholding judgment of others.



Exactly Rusty, I agree.  For one just because Palin is the governor of Alaska, doesn't mean she can run an entire country.  I am worried more about that than anything.  I am not saying that her husband can't take care of the children.  A family needs both parties not just one or the other.  Being a VP could be more than she can handle.  It sounds good, but there is a lot more work to it than people think.  That is what I am saying.  I am not saying that women aren't strong enough for this particular job but I don't know if she is ready to take on something this big with the limited experience that she has.

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I only care about her politics.  I don't like them, don't want her in the white house. I guess I can't get any plainer than this. 

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lizbaby75tn stated


"I think she has enough on her plate with her children. If she becomes the VP, her children will suffer, I think."


You don't hear anyone saying that about the men in office from the President to Congress. It has been the Liberals that have been pushing for womens rights for all these years, cutting down women that want to stay home and take care of their children instead of focusing on their career. Now here we have a conservative that has a career and the liberals are jumping on her for neglecting her children. I don't hear the conservatives attacking her for this move. She has her husband supporting her and their children, he looks very capable of caring for their children.



Please don't say that liberals have been cutting down women who want to stay at home to take care of their children.  I have NEVER met anyone who derides a woman for choosing to stay at home with her children.  In fact, more often than not, I have noticed a tendency for Extremists on the Right side of the aisle blaming women for NOT staying home with their children and, thus, contributing to the moral decay of this society.  I have friends on both sides of the political aisle and, at least in my experience, both sides have roughly the same proportion of stay-at-home moms.  Some of the most liberal parents I know had a stay-at-home mom.  And, while I was technically not a stay-at-home dad, I did leave a lucrative career so that I could work part-time and be at home with my son in the afternoon.


I have not attacked Sarah Palin for her choice to leave her children in the hands of others.  What I have attacked is the hypocrisy of her life.  She is quick to judge others, via her faith, for their life choices while at the same time, making similar life choices... or, if not similar choices, making choices that work best for them.  I am particularly appalled that the church she belongs to is hosting a "pray the gay away" meeting, guaranteeing to get rid of the gayness of those for whom are prayed.  And... homosexuality isn't even a life choice.  Strong evidence suggests a biological basis (as a biochemist, I've reviewed some of the literature).  So, I don't care what choices Sarah Palin makes, I just ask that she not judge others for the choices they make.  Sadly, she doesn't seem capable of withholding judgment of others.



Exactly Rusty, I agree.  For one just because Palin is the governor of Alaska, doesn't mean she can run an entire country.  I am worried more about that than anything.  I am not saying that her husband can't take care of the children.  A family needs both parties not just one or the other.  Being a VP could be more than she can handle.  It sounds good, but there is a lot more work to it than people think.  That is what I am saying.  I am not saying that women aren't strong enough for this particular job but I don't know if she is ready to take on something this big with the limited experience that she has.


 


 


She has executive experience, does Obama?   No, he has limited days of legislative experience.  He hasn't ran a city or state, he has organized a community.


What about Hiliary saying it takes a village to raise a family? Getting the government involved since the parents don't know how to adequately raise a family...that's a liberal view.


How about Gloria Steinem, liberal feminist? 


-women are forced to choose between a career and marriage


- We know that we can do what men can do, but we still don't know that men can do what women can do. That's absolutely crucial. We can't go on doing two jobs.


- Most American children suffer too much mother and too little father.


-But the problem is that when I go around and speak on campuses, I still don't get young men standing up and saying, 'How can I combine career and family?'



 


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Like I said in many of my other posts, I don't like either pick for president.  I think I was more for Hilary than anyone, but now I got these two to pick from and it's very slim pickings if you ask me.


 

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I don't like either pick for president.  I was  for Hillary , but now I got these two to pick from.  I only know that this country cannot survive another 8 years of Republican leadership. 


 

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 Thank you Kittyrn for clearing up some of the points, again I posted that I had NOT had a chance to verify ALL the facts, only posting info so we can ALL start researching and finding the truth about BOTH sides. I think it is hypocritical for Obamas team to slam Palin and her daughter for being pregnant and unmarried at 17, when Obamas mother was also pregnant and unmarried at 17 WITH HIM! What a hypocrit! I agree that children should be left OUT of this mess, please focus on the ISSUES! Where are Obamas ISSUES, all he ever says is "Change" change what exactly?



STOP IT!  STOP IT!  STOP IT!


Obama's campaign is NOT attacking Palin and her PREGNANT daughter.  I am!  But, Obama clearly stated he would fire anyone in his campaign staff who attacked the children.  I should hope you would at least respect him for that.


Bush did not do the same when the SWIFT BOATers did the same to Kerry...


 



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 Rusty I appreciate your views, I posted info and clearly stated I DID NOT verify all of it in context, only to stimulate more investigation. But I know you are aware of all of Obamas people who rushed to Alaska to find dirt on Palin and YES slammed her daughter. I have a copy of a broadcast of those facts. I think kids should NOT be a part of politics. On either side. I want to hear about the issues on BOTH sides not the mud slinging, I also want to hear about Mc Cains issues as well. I do not support Mc Cain 100% not even 75% but I support him more than Obama but I want to hear about there issues, BOTH of them! Then maybe we can all get past the mud slinging and talk about the serious issues facing our country. My daughter returned from Iraq in one piece thank God, many more have not been so lucky. My cousin on his third tour in Iraq was one of the soldiers lined up to meet Obama as he walked PAST them and did not even say boo, let alone shake a hand, THAT is a FACT! From the person who was there in the flesh, so please stop talking about this great and wonderful person he is, I support OUR troops and if YOU do not please feel free to stand in FRONT of them if you do not stand behind them. Any one who does NOT stand behind them certainly will NOT get MY vote, and guess what else, I am entitled to MY opinion and MY vote, My spelling is checked teacher can I go to bed now. Feel free to slam.


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BTW, Obama wasn't an uneducated youth when he made the comments I copied from his book on the previous posts.  He was a college graduate working in Chicago as a community organizer.    He had many of these conversations with his Muslim friend Rafiq.    It was about at this time he joined Reverend Wright's church, where he did spend 20 years.  Reverend Wright (also a former Muslim and Black Nationalist) told Obama in his first meeting  "But you should know that having us involved in your effort isn't necessarily a feather in your cap" .  Reverend Wright went on to explain, that many felt they were too radical.   Barack knew about the 'Black Value System', and even mentioned during one of wright's sermons "where white folks' greed runs a world of need" .  He knew all of the above before joining that church where he spent 20 years.

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 thank you Kittyrn I am going to find the book so I can also read it and post some of the REAL Obama here. Keep up the good efforts, unfort you cannot fix stupid, but you can sure try.


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 Rusty I appreciate your views, I posted info and clearly stated I DID NOT verify all of it in context, only to stimulate more investigation. But I know you are aware of all of Obamas people who rushed to Alaska to find dirt on Palin and YES slammed her daughter. I have a copy of a broadcast of those facts. I think kids should NOT be a part of politics. On either side. I want to hear about the issues on BOTH sides not the mud slinging, I also want to hear about Mc Cains issues as well. I do not support Mc Cain 100% not even 75% but I support him more than Obama but I want to hear about there issues, BOTH of them! Then maybe we can all get past the mud slinging and talk about the serious issues facing our country. My daughter returned from Iraq in one piece thank God, many more have not been so lucky. My cousin on his third tour in Iraq was one of the soldiers lined up to meet Obama as he walked PAST them and did not even say boo, let alone shake a hand, THAT is a FACT! From the person who was there in the flesh, so please stop talking about this great and wonderful person he is, I support OUR troops and if YOU do not please feel free to stand in FRONT of them if you do not stand behind them. Any one who does NOT stand behind them certainly will NOT get MY vote, and guess what else, I am entitled to MY opinion and MY vote, My spelling is checked teacher can I go to bed now. Feel free to slam.



The best way I can support our troops is to fight to bring them home, not keep them there for the next 50 to 100 years as McCain has suggested will likely be necessary... similar to Korea.  Somehow, I don't it will be like Korea because of the extremist fundamentalists in the area.  But, clearly, McCain has no intention of bringing the troops home.  I can also support them by fully funding their medical care when they return home.  We should be ashamed of how we neglect our servicemen and servicewomen when they reach our shores.  And, let me remind you, it was a Democrat, Darlene Hooley, from Oregon, who led the fight to get our troops the adequate amour they needed very early on in this war.  Republicans view enlisted men and women as nothing more than expendable pawns in the high stakes game of Risk. 


Conservatives do not have a lock on patriotism.  Just a different view of what it means to be patriotic.  It takes more guts to stand up and defy your government that it does to goose-step with it.  If the simple act of placing your hand over your chest is patriotic, then something is wrong. 


And, your cousin's perspective of Obama in Iraq is not FACT!  I highly doubt a military man had any objective view toward Obama.  He/she saw what they wanted to see.  It is unfathomable that any politician would not aknowlege the troops. 


It was the liberal hippies and college students (some older, yes) of the 60s, along with adequate media coverage, who forced the hand of the American government to end Vietnam War (the American War, as it is known in Vietnam).  Today, the American people are too busy trying to pay for the SUVs, homes, and college education for their children to get active and protest.  And, the conservatively run networks (Faux News at the forefront) who are complicit by giving us only sugar-coated coverage... nothing that will upset this administration.  Obama voted against Bush for this war and that makes him a true patriot in my eyes.  He had more courage than the other Democrats (though Kucinich was right alongside him) and that is why he is where he is at today.


Hiring a city manager for a town of 5,000 people and being a short-time governor of a state less populous than good-sized cities (i.e., Portland, OR) does not make you a leader.  Standing up against Bush when his approval rating was sky high and risking the political tricks of this administration makes Obama a leader.


Clearly, I'm not trying to change your mind.  But, I will not let you have the last word on what it means to support our troops.  There are alternative points of view, clearly.


 


 

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see my comments in italics within your statement....


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 I posted info and clearly stated I DID NOT verify all of it in context, only to stimulate more investigation (But the fact its posted without verification incites more anger ). But I know you are aware of all of Obamas people who rushed to Alaska to find dirt on Palin and YES slammed her daughter (the same can be said for the people from Republican camp who did the same when Obama started ) .( I have a copy of a broadcast of those facts .(could you post the link?). I think kids should NOT be a part of politics (I agree). On either side. I want to hear about the issues on BOTH sides not the mud slinging (Amen), I also want to hear about Mc Cains issues as well. I do not support Mc Cain 100% not even 75% but I support him more than Obama but I want to hear about there issues, BOTH of them! Then maybe we can all get past the mud slinging and talk about the serious issues facing our country. My daughter returned from Iraq in one piece thank God, many more have not been so lucky (including my best friends son) My cousin on his third tour in Iraq was one of the soldiers lined up to meet Obama as he walked PAST them and did not even say boo, let alone shake a hand (yet one of my former nurses found him to be warm and caring in a non planned meeting with out press present), THAT is a FACT! From the person who was there in the flesh, so please stop talking about this great and wonderful person he is ( to many of use he may be, and just because you don't see it that's ok- don't deny our rights), I support OUR troops (we do and so does he) and if YOU do not please feel free to stand in FRONT of them if you do not stand behind them. Any one who does NOT stand behind them certainly will NOT get MY vote, and guess what else, I am entitled to MY opinion and MY vote, My spelling is checked teacher can I go to bed now. Feel free to slam ( I don't think that's necessary and hope you realize I'm being sincere).



 

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 You are right about alternative views, but the FACT is that Obama DID refuse to shake the hand or even MEET a single soldier, it is not our troops fault they are there, they are fighting to keep us safe, to snub his nose at them like he is blaming THEM for being in a war he disagrees with is MY problem with him. You can spin it as Washington does how ever YOU choose, that IS your right as a FREE American, Free by the way BECAUSE our troops are keeping us safe from dictatorship and other evils in this world which wish us dead mostly or controlled completely. I am NOT trying to change YOUR mind either Rusty healthy debate is always a good thing, that is how we learn that is how we grow as people and as a nation. We are ALL going to have to live with which ever candidate wins, I hope our country does NOT loose in the process. If I had a wish it would be that they went to Mars to debate and got lost on the way back to Earth, then we could get a new candidate. But hey that is just me. I appreciate your not mud slinging and being nasty as others have been here. I appreciate YOU and your opinion very much


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