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What do you all know about the jails and mental illness? Are you aware that we have more people with mental illness in the jails than we do in hospitals? 

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Hi Ginny,


thanks for the invite to this group.  I am a Psych. NP and am married to a 20+ years correctional officer in what used to be a maximum security designated facilty but in the last 8 years was lowered to a medium security facility.


Some of my friends left the psychiatric hospital we worked for and crossed the state line into the prison system.  They say that its true that there is a large population of mentally ill but also a large population of patients with a diagnosis of 'malingering'- they say some of the inmates will do anything to get out of their cell.


I think it is ridiculous to imprison people who are getting a minimal level of mental health care and then expect any type of 'rehabilitation'.


 


My husband thinks I am crazy, he says noone believes in rehabilitation for inmates anymore.  What do you think?

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Mabel, unfortunately I think your husband is correct saying no one believes in rehabilitation anymore.  Until it's one of their own.  The rehab programs were so poor as to be non existent.

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I know, from the horses mouth that their are alot of mental ill person's in the jails/prisons.  A police officer told me, that their are alot of sick people in jail, it doesn't matter, you can be mentally ill, or have a mental disorder and as long as the state, don't declare you not be mentally competent, you can go to jail. The term that the judicial system uses, being insane, is what saves you from going to jail/prison. Has anyone seen, Basic Instincts 2, remember when the Sharon Stone, tricked the psychologist that was appointed to her from the courts to give her a mental evaluation, to see if she was compete, or not compete to stand trial. It all is determine by a court appointed psychologists, and they have a good understanding about the minds of criminals, because think about it, to even commit a crime, especially murder, you have to be on the unstable side to do such a thing, unless, it was out of self defense, but it has to be a justifiable self defense crime, to be cleared from the charge.


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I am not even in school to be a nurse yet, but at 27 have finally decided tha's what I want to do. Tis site is helping me decide wich direction to go when I'm done. But, my mother has her masters in gerentology and a few of my cousins are RN's or LPN's. My 2 great aunts were nurses in the war, but their memories are'nt like they used to be. I remember when my mom finished RN school. She got her 1st job at a nursing facility and quickly moved up into DON then regional at some point. When I was 14 &1/2 she somehow got me a job in the kitchen. I really liked the resident and most of the people , but not all the cna's were nice to them. But since she had moved around a bit in the commuiny over the years, I would get tired of it and work doing something else. But if I ever got layed off or moved and wanted something closer, I also was known in the wait staff to help get things back on track. I had to live up to her name & not embarras her.


Well Just a while ago she decided she wanted to get more hospital expirience, since my step-dad died. I guess It pays more. Alls she could find was a mental facility as DON. With 3 secions. The elderly, where she spent most of her time, the adult, & the children's unit. she would sometimes tell me sories in confidence. but she could barely read and would avoid if possible the kid's unit. It was to sad for her. My This was a facility where family could call and make arrangements for inpatient care if they wanted, I got the impression that, that happend a lot. But She told me that it was very frustrating, b/c if the police picked up somone they saw fit to be in a mantal hospital; they would just take them there.


Then the people with the reservations lost thier spot. That was the end of it. She is now working with some of her good work friends selling Hospice care.


My real dad is a retired 10+ yr police man. He said that if you get picked up by the cops, and they are closer to the county jail that's were all the real crazy people go. Weather your crazy or not. Of coarse he could have just told me that when I was younger to scare me , so that I would stay away from trouble, he was pretty good at that.

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Smaller, your dad has a great since of humor.


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I volunteer as a lay chaplain at the Justice Center=jail.  I have seen many inmates with mental health concerns.  Many with alcohol and or drug problems as well.  I was recently surprised when an inmate told me that she could not be considered for a rehab program she wanted to get into because she was on psych meds.  She told me that she was now off all her meds and hoped to get in the program.


I am sure that there are some conditions where people should not come off their med s and can function and live a normal life IF they take their meds.  


I am not there as a nurse so I do not have any access to records or medical information.  I just meet with the inmates one on one and listen to whatever they want to talk about.  I give them inspirational material and pray with them.


I do not meet with anyone unless they have requested to see a chaplain. 


It is truly a different culture inside.  Things that we take for granted every day are privileges in jail/


Many of the inmates really need help.  They can easily be caught up in a cycle and become frequest inmates because change is difficult especially with not having any help.


I wish there were more programs to help.

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Oh, I thought you were going to tell me Lisa42 was in jail, LOl. I am sorry I know I am supposed to be nice and from now on I will truely try...... TRY being the word of the day.


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dean123: It is very sad but there are many drug rehab programs that will not allow  any psych meds. Not even an antidepressant. there are some very fundamentalist groups  running some of these programs whose belief system is that Jesus heals all. This can be very harmful for a psych patient or a depressed patient who needs meds.  


 

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I am used to psych inmates becasue I worked on a residential mental health unit at one of the prisons for about 2-3 years. Regular population is full of inmates with psych issues.i think 7 or 8 out of 10 inmates are at least depressed. I think just the setting alone would make someone depressed. I also that the stress of the setting also is why I have seen alot of hypertension too.

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I would think that the setting alone too would bring depression and anger issues among other things...So I would bet there are more mentally ill inmates than patients...


For those who should have been sent to a psych hospital instead of being sent to jail..I feel for them...there is no such thing as empathy in a prison system.


There are probably more drug addicts and alcoholics in our prisons more so than hardened heinous crime violators also...


Its truly a shame.....and sad....


 


speak your mind..for those that matter dont mind and those that mind ..dont matter..

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There are all types of criminals. There is the school teacher who was arrested one too many times for drunk driving,  the young drug dealer that sold drugs on the street corner, the murderer, the one who murdered his wife and tried to commit suicide and the child molesters. The only one I don't have any pity for are the child molesters. I haven't seen one that reforms. They will do it again given the chance.