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I HAVE been black-balled!
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Posted over 4 years ago I've been a Registered Nurse over twenty years. In April I started work in the ICU at a Hospital here in Oregon. I was placed on what is called the (B Team), and life went down hill from day one. This team is made up of Nurses who thinks it's fun to sit in the report room and flip each other off, call each other degrogatory names, etc. Since I thought they were all way too childish, let alone unprofessional, I of course didn't fit in to their "little club", and they ran me out of the ICU by making lies up about me and going to the Nurse Manager daily. In fact I was told on Friday July 18th, by six other Nurses that I was going to get terminated the following week. Sure enough when I came to work the following Wednesday....not one of the nurses on the B Team looked at me, or spoke to me...turned out they knew before I did about my termination. The reason given for terminating me was that " I just wasn't a good fit". I've worked in Magnet hospitals for years, have wonderful yearly evals, but now I'm fired by a hospital with more than a few problems. So here's where it gets strange. I have gotten every job I've ever applied for my entire Nursing career. But since July 23, I've applied for well over 30 jobs, and I haven't gotten one of them. This is not a COINCIDENCE! This is called being black-balled. I'm ready to leave nursing, but not without a fight. I've spoken with the Union (what a joke, they took my money but offered no help at all.) I spoke with Oregon State Board of Nursing(they could only tell me there wasn't anything negative on my profile.) Now I've gone to the Bureau of Labor and Industries(civil rights). I would appreciate hearing from any nurse who has experienced the same thing. Please share your story, tell me what happened and how it was resolved. I also have a Attorney who I am getting ready to use. Thank You
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| Posted over 4 years ago This is terrible, I am not familiar with Oregon law we are in CA but my husband is an attorney and I will ask him about this. I know in CA at least if a hospital or any employer gives you a bad revue and you do not get a job you can sue the previous employer, seems like your labor board should be able to file suit on your behalf. Will get back with any more info I can find. Good luck A busy RN is here |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Sorry to hear about your situation. I have no advice to offer up as I have only been a nurse for 2 years now. I wish you luck and hope you are able to resolve this situation. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago I'm really sorry to hear about this too. This unfortunately probably happens more than we hear about. The only thing I can say is to pursue it and get a lawyer if you have to. This is a terrible injustice. And you know if everyone on "B" team knew about your termination before you something just isn't quite right. Have you been to the CEO of the hospital? Don't give up and certainly don't give up nursing. Wishing you the best of luck on getting the situation taken care of. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Im so sorry to hear what you are going through,the same is happening to me here in California. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago this is awful! Is not being "the right fit" really a cause for termination? It doesn't seem like it would be. Couldn't they have transferred you to another unit or given you a choice to transfer somewhere else since you were obviously not happy bieng there. I would think you would have had to have some infraction or failure of job performance to be fired. This doesn't seem right. Don't give up on nursing just because of this. Keep looking. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Wow, I'm sorry to hear that you are being treated so unfairly. I've been messed over unfairly in past jobs, but not to the extent where I could not get hired by anyone else.There has to be some way you can prove this. It may be hrad, but don't give up. The truth will prevail.
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| Posted over 4 years ago This has happened to me and L&I stepped in and hospital was in deep brown stuff. I hope L&I comes through for you, the way it did for me. For some reason, a way younger RN took a dislike to me, on the very first day. All I had done was say hello and my name is. Unfortunately this RN was friends with the nurse manager and also had several years on staff. So, even though I was older, had at least double her years of experience, I was asked to leave before my 90 days were up. Even though I got her out of a bad situation she didn't know how to handle, that didn't count either. When I went to apply for another position, the OR manager when she called me told me my eval from the other hospital was less than stellar and I didn't live up to the experience my resume stated I had. Now I was running a room, entirely by myself after less than 3 days of orientation. My paper work was complete and correct, I did the most difficult cases, but I didn't live up to my resume? I was absolutely devasted. As I was leaving, one of the anesthesiologists asked where I was going and I said home. She asked why, I said I was just fired. She didn't know what to say other than Why? and a few other choice words and she told me to contact L&I as soon as I got home, which I did and they did an investigation. When I contacted L&I about the comments the other hospital's OR manager had said over the phone, this hospital was also investigated. The result was they were both heavily fined, my resignation was accepted and documented as I resigned and the rest is history |
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| Posted over 4 years ago It is time to get out of dodge. Find a nice travel job. Go some where else for a while. Nurses eat their young. The ICU are the worst I hate to say. Not all but most have a CLICK. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago I'm a patient but I believe it. my medical care has been affected by the same kind of immature staff. I am blackballed from all doctors offices I try to get into as soon as they get my info and look on the unified medical records system or after the first visit and they contact my previous doctors offices. I am dead certain that except for the last doctor I saw at OMG it has been the staff has been making false and distorted reports about me, reporting falsely on my behavior, using knowledge of my mental condition to provoke and manipulate me and diverting or distorting my communications to the doctor. The last doctor I saw deliberately tried to provoke a mental breakdown. Why? you probably ask, I would. The answer is I do not know except that I am a free spirit and fully participate in my own care, and for all the hippie dippie open minded crap propaganda one hears about the place it is as racist, conservative and backward a place as a place can be. Think 1950's Alabama. Oh how the mighty have fallen. I did my best work in high school studying and writing about Oregon, I never would have believed it if I haven't been experiencing it myself. Like the Model T, you can have any color you'd like as long as you'd like black. In other words; Celebrate diversity, in all it's many forms as long as that form is exactly the same as ours. So yea I believe you, but don't hold your breathe the whole state seems to have become corrupt since the last time I lived here and Salem is as bad as anywhere else. You'll probably have to rely on the Feds. Know any good doctors with good staff?
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| Posted over 4 years ago I also have gotten every job I've applied for. I worked at one place in NC, where it was gossip central. We had a head RN that referred to several of the CNA's as inbreeds. quote "Have you seen their children, you can tell they are inbred". I didn't fit well. I noticed a pattern, that every nurse that intimidated her (by skill, respect of patients, respect of higher ups, more education) got black balled, and several were fired. She started rumors about them. She started a rumor on an lpn, that this person didn't have a real license, that it was 'stolen'. I got on her sh*t list, because one day I stood up to her about gossiping in the workplace. I knew my time was coming, so I put in notice and left. I didn't wait for that one to drop. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Oh, I meant to add, that you need to call up some of the places that you have applied to and ask why you weren't hired. My understanding is, if they (your former employers) are spreading lies about you that is 'defamation of character', if they don't have the evidence to back it up, you can than sue the employer that terminated you. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago You can hire a company that will call your old employer and ask for a refernce. Check "Myreferences.com" or other websites, and for a fee they will pretend to be a prospective employer asking for a reference, and then send you a report letting you know exactly what was said about you. I used them when I was fired because I knew another nurse who had been fired the year before who had been black-balled. When I was fired, I told my boss that if she did it to me, there would be repurcussions. I was happy to pay the fee to make sure she did not bad mouth me. If they do badmouth you, you can take your report to a lawyer. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago 100% dead right. Your reputation cannot be maimed by former employers, unless they have hard documentation to back it up (disciplinary reports, failed drug screens, poor evaluations) and even then that is all they can say. They cannot elaborate or misrepresent any of that, it is defamation of character, you can sue for loss of wages. I had a former DON, that told me she never said anything beyond what was on the record otherwise her hospital could be completely liable for damages. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago My name is Wendy, I have been an RN for 8 years. I have had an awful time of it in the field of nursing. The shame of it all is that I am a very hard worker and I love the field and patient care. It all started for me when I took a job at a Cleveland clinic satellite hospital. I applied for several positions as a new grad. The job that I really wanted was in the NICU. Being a single parent I did not have the luxury to wait too long for an interview to be offered so I took a job in a cardiac stepdown unit. After working in the unit for 6 months, I received a call from the hospital that I applied to for the NICU position, I was offered the position. Up until then I had no negative reviews. Upon advising my unit manager that I was contemplating accepting another position and that I was requesting transfer information, I was told that I had to stay in my current position for another 6 months. So I called back the other hospital that was also a cleveland clinic satellite hospital and told them my situation. I decided to stay for another 6 months. After that point the unit manager started treating me differently, every day I was harrassed, I was told my hair wasn't perfect, and asked why I stopped wearing makeup. Mostly time constraint because of the distance I had to travel to work. At the time we were doing primary nursing in which i had to do total care for 5 patients with out the luxury of a nursing assistant, and they were just in the process of switching to "peer evaluation", all nurses on the floor started freaking out. Ones that were there for years started writing up the younger nurses for anything and everything they could to protect their positions. I was constantly staying after my shift about 1/2 hour to make sure everything was done so that I wouldn't get written up for not completing something. Then my manager wrote me up for cutting into the productivity of the unit on dayshift, I worked nights. As far as my personality, I am very friendly but quiet, I stick to myself do my work and try not to get involved in all the clickish bullshit on the unit. This for me was a disadvantage as I am beginning to think that to be a nurse you have to have a certain personality type to "fit in". Any how, the next 6 months they made my life a living hell, I even had co-workers tell me to hire a lawyer because I was being harassed. I didn't however because I really didn't understand what was going on at the time. Well I was called into the office 2 times in that 6 months, once for being late, and staying late, and once for a pharmacy error that I had explained was not my fault and I had it covered by a pharmacist. At the end of the 6 months the other hospital offered me the NICU position again, I gave my current employer a 3 week notice that I would be leaving. At the end of 2 weeks and after requesting transfer information and information on keeping seniority in the cleveland clinic system, I was called into the office and given a "performance improvement evaluation". One day later I was called by the NICU department and told that they recinded the job because I had a performance improvement in place. They encouraged me to stay there another 6 months. I told them I refused because I was being horribly harrassed. So after 1 week I left the hospital with out any job and went through an agency for approximately 1 year. I have been black balled from the cleveland clinic hospitals ever since. Now I am in skilled nursing, I really love the patient care however I don't think im working to my potential, and there is not any room for advancement. I am ACLS certified, PALS certified, I can read and intrepret cardiac telemetry and I have always wanted to go into OBGYN, pediatrics, or NICU. I have never been given the opportunity to try any of them. I have over the years worked many interesting jobs however I don't feel like I have ever found my true "nitch". I have worked in a SICU, 3 prisons, an LTAC, psychiatric none of which I have been satisfied with. I am almost ready to give up nursing all together, and pursuit another career choice because I am so burnt out after only 8 years. |
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| Posted about 4 years ago Wow..this just makes my blood boil!! It seems some things in nursing never change! I have been thru being black balled by a head nurse who did not like me cuz of where I went to school. Its nuts. I cannot give legal advice however you cannot be fired for not being a good fit. This is unprofessional 411.. If your stay at that hospital was short just leave that time period off your resume. Employers understand periods of time off that aren't too long without explanation. Also your union should definitely be helping you take action against that dept. Having said that I agree with the other reply about paying a fee to get documantation of the referrals. With written documention you could sue and if you have the energy I would make a big deal out of it. Maybe the click will get into so much trouble they will all get fired. Prepare yourself for the emotional turbulence of a lawsuit if you go that route. Do not give up on nursing. Its a worthy career and as my mother always says...."this too shall pass". God Bless & Peace |
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| Posted about 4 years ago I'm so sorry to hear of your situation. They call this type of behavior lateral violence, nurse-to-nurse violence to be exact. Violence is a strong word because there is always a victim. I am so heavy hearted for you, I experienced something similar to what you are going through and it is so exhausting. I hope you find a quick resolve and it doesn't cost you a lot or you can always bargain out your skill for free legal advice some attny's could possibly do this, TG someday everyone might need a nurse and we have that for a skill. I pray that you may keep yourself from inner and outer harm. God Bless |
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| Posted about 4 years ago On the other hand you could always contact your local media (Nursing shortage/violence in the workplace) the local news would be more than happy to cover your story, also you may contact your State Reps, State Senators, Govenor, and even your local labor board. Doesnt costs you a penny. You can get all this info from the internet on how to locate your local politicians. I did and it worked for me, didn't cost me a red penny and I won. VICTORY!!!!! Is just around the corner. Thanks for reading and good luck! |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago There are things you can do to stop Blackballing from happening. First unions, which get paid a bundle should be informed and work with them not regarding a firing here or there, but the idea of "blackballing" and how legal it is. Second, work on getting legislation through preventing employers from blackballing. Much of what is blackballing is illegal. Because its discrimination of some sort or some right has been denied you. Know your Federal rights as a worker. Nurses themselves have grown pretty sick. But its not just the nurses its hospital administration. Hospital adminstration allows this to go on. Every hospital employees these little cops I call them in their HR departments. They are the folks that do the collection of dirt against you and they are the cleaners to make sure even though its illegal it looks legal. They can do these bad things because when we go to work, we go for the money, and we don't watch our backs. So after we leave our notes are copied and given to these "cleaners" and managers who more often then not lack common sense. If you work in a negative environment know you are going to have to work better, cleaner and safer than the loonies causing you the problems. Second you can out employers and specific persons because they are managers and hospitals can't hide under any confidentiality laws. If you have been blackballed to the extent it affects your ability to get a job and you know it. You need to handle it with legal help. Also it doesn't hurt to make appointments with your harassers and make them fess up to your face what you've done wrong, so to speak. Good luck to everyone whose had to deal with this humiliation from these small small people.
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| Posted almost 4 years ago I agree with skulnus4you in principle. It has been a while since the OP posted this but just in case it helps anyone else I'll post my opinion. Some of it is repetition with a little less anger today than I had when I posted here previously. It isn't as easy as it sounds in real life to enact these ideas. One might expect that the smarts necessary to be a nurse would make it easier but I think clickishness and blackballing is pretty much bulletproof unless you are in a community that is generally self aware and generally honest. If the people in your community are just another version af the same small minded corruption in their own feilds it makes it quite difficult to even feel like your not crazy when this kind of stuff bothers you. I live in a place where you are thought to be a "sucker" if you are openly honest, compassionate, and helpful to your neighbors. People actually bragg about how much they steal by deciept in business and even more about the harm they have inflicted on their victim by that deceipt. Then there is just plain picking up things that aren't theirs, I've yet to see someone object to it if it wasn't their's. In a culture like that blackballing seems normal and you don't do anything about normal do you? I'm not geographically far away from the OP either and if you see my posts on this site about the kind of care I have received you'll get a more rounded picture and see that innapropriatness is pretty common and this clickishness extends to the patients as well.
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| Posted almost 4 years ago I thought my co-worker was ok I found out she was smiling in my face and reporting to my nurse unit manager things I forgot to do (simpl dsg)she could have done asI have done for her.well I got fired thanks to her evidence was there they kept telling me about my mistake hocan you learn to trust any other nurse after that? |
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| Posted almost 4 years ago I am sorry for what happened to you. Untill we as nurses stop feeling the need to treat each other so mean we will keep loseing good nurses. It's like nursing is a sorority or something. It seems more and more it's not the patients that are the issue it's your fellow nurses. I guess it does not matter if you come in and do your job and take good care of your patients, it's a freakin popularity contest. I think you should sue. If for no other reason than to make a satement. Saying "your not a good fit" is not a legal basis to fire someone even if they have at will employment. Hope all works out. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I agree that its difficult to surmount the cultural mores that exist in some places. I have worked in places were people were so inclined. However I also do insist that there is recourse via EEOC and other government agencies. Most of the time before the blackballing starts there is an implicit agreement somewhere along the line that you are going to be a target and targets are targets because they stick out. Why do you stick out? Being new is the best one, you have no allies. Second is color, language, and style perhaps. I worked in an ED once that was basically run by the clerical staff. That is if they wanted to ruin you they would simply start some gossip and circulate it through the department and to the doctors and voila you would be fired but not before they thoroughly made you miserable. The managers were complicit with this behavior by the way. I have to say patients were put in jeopardy and many other things went on that should have been paid attention to, but instead they put their energy into defamation and slander and wouldn't help one another at all. Blackballing is morally wrong however there is nothing you can do accept walk away and find another job. also beware of registries they really blackball especially if you fight them about wages and other things. I am changing my career because frankly I have had enough of this nonesense in nursing, anyway more and more I don't fit because I am not African, or Indian or Filipino. I am not saying its bad being any of those, its just that the culture around nursing is changing too much. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I'm so sorry to hear that this has happened to you. My first question is did you sign an "at will" clause? Meaning that you can be terminated at will for any reason. I completely agree with whoever gave the link to have a 3rd party investigate your reference. Most of the positions I have held if I listed my manager as a reference, I was told they would, by policy, only be able to verify my dates of employment. I hope that this is resolved for you. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I hope you have better luck. Stay with the lawyer on it as I could imagine what that previos jod is saying to the employers you applying to now.
Cheers and prayers - Tim, R.N. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago
It is unfortunate and hurtful to hear about your plight! Your situation is a daily dilemma that plagues our society today! The illegal behavior or practices of Black-listing or Blackballing happens more often then not in our professional environment or workplace. Good news and bad news. Good news! We have Attorneys and investigators who are skilled in weeding out this deep rooted deceptive practice. Bad news! If this practice is deep rooted, promoted, rewarded, and condone by upper-level management. The possibility of your legal team to adequately infiltrate the inner circle of this organization, to achieve correct and accurate data for your case and remove or slow down the unwanted behavior or actions, is highly unlikely and sometime next to impossible. Best advice since you are a skilled professional "Move-on" if you win any self satisfaction regarding this matter and stay with the same organization. You will surely receive at the minimum a hostile or uncomfortable working environment, and retaliation. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I find it really sad and appauling that this happens a lot! I am appauled that in a profession where lives are at stake; that some Nurses are not professional; and who harm other Nurses! It makes me soooo mad! I have been a victim of this as well. I am wondering when people will grow up.....it's sad how some Nurses do eat their young..... Is there anything that we can do? I guess I am going to have to watch my back ALL the time! UGH!!!! I love Nursing; I love the good parts of it; BUT this one bad part; makes me want to leave Nursing and soon. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago kstiltner1 says ...
I vote for this one! I wish my husband would let me travel, but he wont go! I suppose I should be thrilled he's quite happy and successful with his job, but man.................I sure would love 12 weeks in Florida or Vegas...............just anyplace warm. Yall know how miserable the global warming is failing in Georgia? We been freezing for 2 weeks. Mr Brown, I know good diction would prefer me to say We have been freezing for 2 weeks, but Its just not me. Santa brought be a Snuggie for Christmas which was a gag gift..........who knew Al Gore was screwing us over?
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| Posted about 3 years ago I was wrongfully terminated in a large city hospital in the South because get this: I called security when a patient's grandson threatened to hit me. I thought that's what you're supposed to do and now I've been black-balled everywhere I put in applications. It's a real roller coaster ride emotionally. Everybody''s glad to get my application but after they call my former employer they make up excuses that the job was taken by somebody else, or in one case the nurse manager "recinded" my offer for employment. It's just crazy how hospitals talk to each other about things they're not suppose to. I'm not a new nurse either, I've been doing this for over twenty years. |
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| Posted about 3 years ago " If you are a good person and render appropriate care as per scope of practice,
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