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Should nurses be required to speak a second language?

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One of today's featured news items, "Nurses speak 'medical care' in two languages", made me think that perhaps learning a second language should be more ingrained into nursing education. Are such courses being implemented more aggressively? Are veteran nurses interested in improving their foreign language skills?

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I live in Quebec, and here we HAVE to be able to speak both English and French. In order to get your licence you have to either prove that you have your high school French or you have to take an exam in order to get your licence. The exam they use is not totally "fair", as in they ask translation of words like "bumper" as in on a a car which does not relate to nursing really... but living in Quebec you need both languages as you never know what language your patient will spwak.

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Yeah, here in Oklahoma we have a huge Hispanic population. Should we be required to learn to speak Spanish? Not so much. If I were living in a foreign country I would probably do the right thing and learn at least enough of the native language to survive. I feel that if the system requires us to communicate better with these populations, they need to put out the effort for hiring translators and installing top-notch language line systems.

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Leave it to the hospitals to take the responsibility of translating for non-english speaking patients. It sure is helpful to know a second language, but nurses have way too much on their plate to be "required to speak a second language."

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Are hospitals developing translating resources? It seems that this would be easy to pass the buck on with all of the other items on their plates. Immigration, and the corresponding presence of large amounts of non-English speakers is not going away anytime soon. Is this topic receiving the level of attention it deserves from hospital administrations?

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It's my understanding that hospitals are required to provide translators, within reason.

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Although there's nothing wrong with being bilingual, instead of requiring nurses to speak a second language, maybe we should require people in the states to speak English.

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I'll just mention my charge nurse/clinical manager came here from Poland. Could not speak English, but eventually learned it. She passed the NCLEX without taking one English course. She is a very good nurse and works very hard. If she can learn English and pass the NCLEX, then others can learn English when the come here.

And Beth is right, hospitals must provide translators.

I'll agree there is nothing wrong with being bilingual. And I'll throw another question out there: What happens when a patient who is bleeding and has a compund fracture and needs surgery can't speak English and a translator can't be found? Just being the "devil's advocate."

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The idea of "requiring" nurses in the United States to be bilingual is absolutely absurd. As far as I am concerned English is the international language. English is spoken in more countries all over the world than any other language. It should only be expected that people who come here speak English to obtain services.

If hospitals want to employ interpreters or invest in translator programs, that is their business decision to make. However, one should not be required to speak a foreign language in one's own country.

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I think that American culture should incorporate foreing language as a subject thoughout the entire education system, like learning math. I live in Germany right now, German children learn English as a subject. Most Europeans speak 2 or more languages, so are they more educated than Americans?

Yes it is fusturating to try and provide care to someone that is not speaking the 'offical' country language, but I have been on the other side of the situation, the one that does not speak the countries language.

America is not longer considered a 'melting pot' it is now a 'salad bowl'. Why are so many people opposed to learning another language is it...fear, lazyness, close-mindedness?

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Is it possible for nurses to learn a second language as part of their work schedule?

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To answer tulpin's question regarding why many Americans are opposed to learning another language, I would say that it's not for any of the aforementioned reasons. People learn new languages either out of necessity, cultural exposure, or genuine scholarly interest. It is true that the US is becoming more of a "salad bowl" as opposed to a "melting pot". The world is becoming smaller and Americans are not immune to this either, sooner or later it will become an economic necessity to know at least basic Spanish. This has been true in Europe too - there aren't too many French people rushing to learn Serbian, Greek, or even Dutch for that matter, yet many know English because the market drives it so.

Ok, back to nursing. According to yesterday's article, there seems to be a real growing necessity to hire nurses with foreign language skills. To build on awinhold's question, isn't it inevitable that as nurses come into greater contact with non-English speakers, their foreign language skills will improve as well? If so, wouldn't on the job training represent a relatively affordable way for nurses to learn some basic terms that could be extremely helpful when getting medical information from patients?

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I believe you should atleast try to learn a second language. The United States has a huge Hispanic population that not always has the time or resources to get out and learn English, even though they should. I speak both languages myself and I have found that it gives that patient a sense of "relaxation" or comfort knowing that someone understands what they are saying or going through. We must remember that we are a country of immigrants, we were built on immigration and to be a little more sympathetic to those who come here to try to better themselves. I must say that I have been leaving in Italy for the past year, with the Army, and I could not speak Italian to save my life. My neighbors child though is learning English in school. If I was sick I would appreciate someone who spoke some English.
So yes I believe that atleast basic Spanish should be learned to provided better patient care to the growing Hispanic population.

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Funny story about not speaking your patient's language:

A while back I had a female patient in the MICU who didn't speak English. During the day her daughter was at her bedside and translated for her. We were about to transfer her to a step-down unit but the night nurse (who was male) and the intern (also male) noticed blood in her bedpan and so they started working her up for a GI bleed, which would mean she would have to stay in the MICU.

I called her daughter in the morning and asked if her mom had reached menopause yet. Daughter said no. Then the docs rounded on her and everyone had a good laugh when they realized that her "GI bleed" was merely her period. And needless to say the intern will probably never make that mistake again.

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I'm currently living in Geilenkirchen, Germany. For those who don't have the foggiest clue where that is, draw a line between Aachen and Dusseldorf. About half-way between is "GK" (not to be confused with Gelsenkirchen).

Back to the topic...I'd love to see more Americans learn another language and even spend time as an exchange student. My time in the USAF has sent me out of the country to the Mid East and I managed to learn some Arabic too. In the year I've been in GK I've taken 4 semesters of German through Univ of Maryland. It's not always easy but it's certainly worth being able to communicate with the society you're in...even if you only speak "Baby-deutsch."

Should a second language be "required?" How about if there was some sort of incentive pay for those who are able to speak an additional language? The military gives folks extra (tax free!!) money to stay qualified in specific languages (they're tested for reading/listening/writing annually).

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While I believe every CITIZEN of the USA should speak English, we will (hopefully) alwalys have tourists and visiting workers. This includes foreign soldiers here for training (I have trained with both Israeli and Iraqi officers), students, etc., most of whom do not need to learn English to do what they are here for.
Now move to a small rural hospial in either a tourist destination area or corridor, such as where I live, and you are lucky to have 2 or 3 differant language interpreters in a city of 6,000 folks that you can depend on being available in a n emergancy. After having several instances where my minimal knowledge of several languages helped 1) calm down the patient and family, and 2) gain vital information while we looked for an interpreter, I have made it a point to learn all I can for these situations.
Let's drop the "My right" not to learn, and remember why we got into nursing in the first place - to help others. We do not have to be fluent to get adequate information in the most common languages in the area we live in. There are VOLUNTEERS who teach languages for medical professionals in many areas. Convince your employer to use them - it is well worth the cost to do a few inservices a year to gain this knowledge.


God bless all, Paul

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i really dont think that it should be REQUIRED that nurses speak a different language, i just think that it would be helpful. it should be the nurses' own personal preference if they would like to speak a different language, but i do think that there should be some sort of translater there to help out, not necessarily a nurse, but maybe a legal immigrant custodian or something. but if the nurse does speak a different language, i strongly believe that they should get paid a little bit more than those who don't, because not only are they helping out the people, but they're helping out the hospital as well.

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Hi, I just joined the site. I myseslf am bilingual, German and English, working on Spanish. I think its an asset to be able to speak more than one language. It makes your day and work so much easier if you are able to understand your patient, or nowadays, your physicians. True some hospitals have a translator hotline, but in general they are costly and hardly ever used. Plus most smaller hospitals can't afford them. On the other hand you might be careful on acting as a translator for your patient. You could be legally liable for translating incorrectly.
I wouldn't look at it as a bad thing, but as making yourself more marketable. The more you know the better the jobs available to you, right?

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Marketable...maybe, but nursing skill and experience should be enough. I, personally, have absolutely no desire to learn a foreign language. There are a multitude of other things I would much rather spend time doing. But, I do agree that those who do learn a second language to help themselves at work should be compensated. Just because I don't want to do it, doesn't mean it's not a good thing.

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exactly. it's a good thing to want to learn as much as you can, but some people dont have the desire, and some do. me, personally, i do wish to learn more of a second language, and i know that it would be very helpful, useful, and lucrative if i did, but it seems there's not enough time anymore.

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It really depends on where you are going to work. If you work with a population that's heavily Hispanic, then yeah, you might want to learn Spanish.

On the other hand, the foreign speaking patients that I have had have been Korean, Greek, Indian, and Sri Lankan. What are the chances that as a nurse I would know any of those languages? That's why translation is generally a responsibility of the hospital, not the nurse.

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I've been nursing for almost 15 years and worked in middle east. Presently i am here in europe working in a multi cultural country....The Great Britain. I would like to share the system here. Almost all of the hospital in the country provide translator. Just like in the hospital I am working now, we provide translators for almost 30 languages. I speak at least 4 languages and still learning some more, which is a great help in case of emergency.

In my opinion, its up to each one of us if we would like to learn any foreign language. I should say, it is a good idea that everyone that goes to other countries should know how to speak english. What about if you get lost while visiting or strolling in Oxford Street? Quite dangerous isn't it? How will you communicate with people who does'nt understand you? Here in England, plenty of foreigners does not speak english. Luckily, nurses who comes here should pass an english test with a score of 7.0 before they can register to the nursing body.

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Stars smile on screen, and make millions...we save lives, care for the ill, work are cans off and get little. Sure we need to learn another language, to help care for our humble masses but who has time, who has the money to pay for these classes? Will it increase our worthiness? Will we be more appreciated. I think not.

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I think if someone would like to learn another language - that is fine - but it shouldn't be required. We are in America - and the language is English. If I were to go to work in another country, with a different language - I would learn the language before I went - that would be MY responsibility. I feel it is very important for citizens in this country to learn the language if they are to live here. Put the responsibility where it should be. Years ago when imigrants came to this country, they had to learn the language - no one learned their language to communicate with them.

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Although learning another language is beneficial to any professional, I do not think that requiring nurses to learn to speak Spanish will help the situation very much. Areas that have large populations of Spanish speaking people often have not only translators available, but they also have workers that also speak Spanish. I am from Chicago and I know a number of nurses that speak multiple languages, but they never took classes to learn. Besides, between the regular classes required to become a nurse, extra classes to keep your liscense, family, friends, work, and everything else, it would be very hard to find time to devote to learning a new language.

There will always be troubles in communication in America because there are so many languages and cultures. If nurses are all required to learn Spanish then what will happen to those who speak neither English or Spanish? It is almost impossible to make it easy for everyone to communicate.

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I think knowing a second lanuage is helpful when you are a nurse, but it shouldn't be a requirement. I'm old fashioned. My grandparents came from Europe, and they scolded me when I started picking up words in their native tongue. They said, "To be an American is to speak English. You are American." People who come to our country should be required to learn English as their second lanuage, and not the other way around.

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Required? Burn my license first. My Mexican mother came here in 1957, learned the language, assimilated, became a citizen the legal way, raised us learning the language of our country of birth. Remember it? America....Why the boys are fighting and dying. Todays new immigrants, and many born here expect a handout, and we gleefully work 60 hour weeks in overcrowded conditions to provide it. Thats why the errors occur. Altruism may help you sleep better at night, but the system is collapsing under the well meaning who think that by making it easier for our ever increasing numbers of non-contributors to have a responsibility (learn our language, work, stick around after fathering a child) free life we are doing them some noble favor. Will the new Nursing motto become I work so you don't have to?

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Byedor I don't think you're being fair. The original subject related to an article on how many hospitals were hiring nurses to expedite the patient intake process. While it's obvious that we should not require every nurse or even most nurses to learn a foreign language as a prerequisite for hiring, shouldn't it be an added bonus? Wouldn't hospitals be better off hiring more personnel with foreign language abilities? I think so.

Also, the handout comment is pretty offensive. Many newcomers pay taxes just like everyone else and just like the Italian immigrants (my ancestors) who came here 100 years ago, and the Irish-Americans and the German-Americans were saying the same kinds of things about them. Let's get realistic our economy needs immigration. Without it our workforce will not be large enough to sustain a growing economy.

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Legal immigration is what we need (although when is enough enough?). Floating across the Rio Grande on a door and being handed a benefits package isn't what the melting pot concept envisioned. Sorry so off topic folks. This isn't just a political issue, it's a root cause of many of the collapses in the system that employs us. Nevada RN, my reponse is a direct answer to the question posed at the top of the page, not a continuance of a thread.

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Many healthcare providers are now enrolling their employees in intensive Spanish courses. What does everyone think of this trend? Would you enroll in such a course if your hospital paid for it?

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