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Should nurses be required to speak a second language?
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| Posted over 5 years ago Well I may be in the minority here, but we have a large Hispanic population that is comprised of many illegals. I refuse as an American to be forced to learn Spanish. If I was to learn another languauge it would be my Native American Cherokee! This topic sets me on fire. There has always been a back and forth in the amount of nurses. Shortages get the hospitals to treat us better and offer better pay and other things. Imported nurses destroy our chances to prove to the big CEOs that they have no job without us!! They can not run hospitals without us. I know too many great nurses that quit nursing b/c they could not take care of 15 pts. at a time. I worked a Level I ER with a total of 4 Nurses on Christmas Eve. That included Charge, Triage and every other nurse duty in a level I Trauma. I survived but we had a pt stroke out in the hall on an EMS stretcher. These things teach the CEOs and those at the top that make millions that they can not survive without US!! Importing nurses undermines that lesson! I do not have a problem with legal imigrants just illegals. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago I agree that learning a second language would no doubt be helpful on the job this day and age, but to make it a requirement for employment? No, I can't say that I agree with that. I believe that if there are two applicants in a community that predominantly caters to the wellbeing of foreigners, the applicant with the most knowledge (ie:ability to speak a foreign language) should probably be considered first, or compensated appropriately upon hire. But as an American, who took 4 years of high school foreign language (maybe just enough to survive in a foreign country), and a parent who REQUIRES my children to take a foreign language as part of a well rounded education, I too feel that it is the foreigner's responsibility to learn the dialect. I don't think that immigrants should be automatically "granted" all of the so-called American benefits without "earning" them. I would NEVER go to a foreign country, set up residency, and have the expectation that I would be treated any differently than any of the natives. I don't by any means wish to imply that I am against immigration in this country, but if you want to be an American, be a TRUE American...with all of the same responsibilities, and thus the same privileges. Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, martini in the other, body thoroughly used up, worn out and screaming "Woo-hoo"!!! |
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| Posted over 5 years ago America is becoming more diverse It is essential, especially in healthcare industry, that we adapt as much as possible. Some may not want to change but it will be inevitable. At some point in time I beleive it will be mandatory for nurses to be bilingual. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago To be mandated to learn another language, to help others is, in my opinion is not right. If we know English and Spanish, it would not benefit someone who is Indian, German, Chinese, Japanese, etc. The list can go on and on. We are an English speaking nation and those who choose to come, whether legal or illegal wishing to be a part of the American dream should learn English. I don't think that is unreasonable to say that. If people are to live here then upon taking the citizen exam they should be taught English. They want to be a citizen of America..correct. I would expect to do the same if I moved to another country. I wouldn't think they would cater to me and learn my language. That goes for any country. I am not trying to sound rude or noncaring but it is getting ridiculous. If anyone wants to learn another language, well good for them but to make it mandatory? No. Get extra pay because of it? Yes. More education means more money in any profession. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago O.k Ive been reading everyones comments and some I agree but some I disagree. I am not from this country but I did become an amercian citizan, but I am very proude to be hispanic. I do feel that if you have the oppertunity to learn a second language that is great, because it does help you. But in our schools today Spanish is taught mandatory espicially in our charter schools, just as sign language is also being taught in our schools so really what skills they are giving our childeren will actually help them. I do feel though that if your already in a job and they say you have to learn Spanish well ok but your gonna pay for the classes and if its required then you should be compensatid. As far as the hospitials are concerned they are suppose to by law that I know to hire translaters for that reason. But some of these other comments are offensive. Some of us my not have been born here but we are all proude to be Amercians. If my father had not lyed to my mother seperated my brother sister and my self in an orphanage in a poor county then I would have stayed in my country but myself and my twin were lucky to be adopted out by a navy personial and we were allowed to keep our culture our language but become American. And yes my childeren my grandchilderen will speak Spanish and any other language that they may be given the oppertunity to learn. And I may have offended some people and if I have I am sorry. But Im doing this for our Hispanics cause Im sick of people thinking just because were from a different culter that we should stay where we belong. We are all equal regardless of race. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago First, you ( Carmen) should be sorry for your opinion. That is your right to have and state. But I don't think anyone here said for people of different cultures to stay out or not keep their culture. But if people are going to live here and be a part of another culture to make a home, work, live, pay taxes, SSI, etc... then speaking English should be the obvious choice. I should not be mandated to speak Spanish just because the Spanish culture is more prevalent. The Spanish speaking Americans should speak English because that is where they are; in an English speaking nation. They came here for opportunites and to prosper and that is great. But again living in another culture means they should learn the language, of that culture, if that is what is spoken. If I went to live and thrive in Mexico, then I would speak Spanish because that seems like the necessary thing to do in order to get what I needed to live there. Not the other way around. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago I believe that people coming to this country should learn our language just as we should learn their language if we went to their country. I don't think we should have to learn another language to accomadate them. America is a melting pot and always has been. Why is this issue just coming up now? I don't see why everything has to be in english and spanish. If they want to come to America, then they should be willing to learn our language. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago I made a mistake in the previous post to Carmen. I meant to type that she should NOT be sorry for her comment. That was my typing error. Sorry for the mistake. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago I was in k-mart last night and the message over the loudspeaker was entirely in spanish. No enlish translation. This is ridiculous! |
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| Posted over 5 years ago charlita said: I would say, I recommended that we all should be bilingual, not just in Nursing... I believe that being a bilingual nurse would launch nursing and patient care to another level, not just having the skills of our hands, but to actually reach into a culture and make a difference in your own words without the need of mediation. As a student, hospitals have offered me $12 p/h or more just to translate. I have ambulance crew friends that have called me in the middle of the night to either pick me up and help them translate or translate over the phone, so I know the need is there, saying that “they aught to,” does not change the present need. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago While being bilingual is definitely an asset, the discussion seems to come down to this: How much do we accomodate different cultures vs how much assimilation into the American culture should be expected? I know most of the people that immigrated here when this country was developing assimilated, learned the language, and culture to fit in. It seems that is no longer the case. Accomodations for this can't without limits. |
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| Posted over 5 years ago this is a controversial topic for may im sure..
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| Posted over 5 years ago NO, no, no. While i do agree learning another langauge will help to require it is wrong. The last time i checked the offical language of the US was english and that is all that should be required to get a job. However personal growth should be up to the nurse not forced. For example i decided to take spanish for healthcare providers to learn basic medical things if i neede to use them and i have. It makes me feel great to help someone who's sick understand in their language however this should not be forced of the nurse or nursing staff. Is'nt their job hard enough already? |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I THINK THAT ENGLISH IS THE INTERNATIONAL LANGUAGE SO EVRY BODY KNOWS ENGLISH BUT ITS GOOD TO KNOW SECOND LANGUAGE LIKE FRENSH, HINDI,CHINEESE,PERSIAN.FOR ME IM ARABI SO I SPEAK ARABIC AND ENGISH AND LITTLE HINDI . leena alkhatib |
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| Posted over 3 years ago As a long-time nurse who has served as an interpreter for the past twenty years on both sides of the pond, this is obviously a very interesting subject to me. The likelihood is that many feel that if every person coming to the US were mandated to speak English, that would make things easier. Needless to say, I support this, were it merely for a social incentive to not be taken advantage to. However, socioeconomic and political backgrounds does not necessarily make this possible. I believe that the employers see a way to make a quick buck as well as foreign labor is quite a bit cheaper when working illegally. So, it does not really make a good pragmatic point to state such. Moreover, not all people requiring interpreter assistance are here illegally, as may be thought. The overwhelming number of clients/patients I have dealt with over the past two decades were here legally. They were visiting relatives, traveling through on vacation (Bryce Canyon area healthcare facilities deal with that quite a bit with an average yearly revenue approximating $3 million), refugees, and Green Card lottery winners. They are looking for a better life, and the US gives them this opportunity. In Quebec, immigration offices favor French-Speaking people, even those with limited English proficiency to strengthen their cause of the Francophonie. Title VI of the Civil Rights Act requires (in the US) that interpreters be provided free of charge to anyone who needs it. If nurses have the benefit of the second language, it enhances basic communication. However, knowing how to speak a second language and being an interpreter cannot be equated as interpreting (translating is its written equivalent, and a very different exercise and process), as there are ethical guidelines dictated by the National Council of Interpreting in Health Care (NCIHC) code of ethics. One study in 2003 found that technical linguistic errors related to untrained interpreters were primarily related to omissions (52%), false fluency (16%), substitution (13%), editorializing (10%) and addition (8%). Of an average of 31 errors found during monitoring, 19 had dire consequences when it came to medical interpreting (Cyracom, 2009). If you know how to speak a second language, that is great. I am all for it, and it helps with ADLs and basic communication to establish trust and comfort of the patient. A requirement for nurses to speak a second language might not be justified, unless you made this a mandatory part of the curriculum from early on. We already speak a foreign language for our patients when we discuss them in medical terms and they look at us as if we were from a different planet. Cultural awareness and sensitivity is the best way to apprach this so it helps us keep ourselves in check and avoid stereotypes and expression of biases in our clinical endeavors. These implications help nurses avoid conflict in the clinical setting, achieve effective and efficient care delivery despite the diversity factor, and serve to uphold Joint Commission guidelines (2008) state that "Communication] with the [patient] and family about all aspects of care, treatment, and services is an important characteristic of a culture of safety. When the [patient] knows what to expect, he or she is more aware of possible errors and choices. The [patient] can also be an important source of information about potential adverse events and hazardous conditions" (p. 23).
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| Posted over 3 years ago What a great, balanced, response! Thanks for sharing your experience and insight - it's really important to consider the patient (not just a blind adherence to the fact that English is the de facto language of the U.S.). That so rarely happens when this topic comes up. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago I have taken Spanish, French and sign language. I can read it but not speak it well enough for others to understand. In fact not all spanish people can even read spanish books. I asked a mexican cafeteria worker to help me with something I did not understand about diagraming sentences. She said she didn't know that kind of Spanish.??? I think if the whole world learned universal sign language all problems would be solved. We currently have more vietnamese in our area. Which language would I need to learn? My grandparents too were very proud to learn English, , but nevertheless did so immediately. They even changed their last name to what Americans kept pronouncing it. At the very end of my grandfathers life, he just spoke Norwegian then. If I went to live in another country for any length of time, I would learn the language. I won't even buy products that are in another language. It actually irritates me. I took care of a patient that had been here 20 years and I had to get an interpreter for her. Her husband said she refused to learn English.
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| Posted over 3 years ago You won't buy products with non-English labels? Do you have any idea how many words in English are taken from French and Spanish? That's taking xenophobia to a whole new level. I agree that people *should* learn the host language of the country they move to. But having a whole host of immigrant friends myself, I can report that's actually quite a bit harder and takes more time than the anecdote of your grandparents IMMEDIATELY learning English. And as to changing your family name due to mispronunciation: that's sad. I think it's a sad thing when cultural identity has to go out the window to be considered "American." That's about the least American thing I can think of.
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| Posted over 3 years ago I think that nursing school is hard enough without adding more. It's good to know a few choice words to communicate with your pt, but where do we draw the line.
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| Posted over 3 years ago I do not think nurses should be required to speak a second language. I live in southern California and I have patients who have lived in this country for decades who have not made the effort to learn the language of the country they chose to move to, so why should I have to learn their language. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago Other countries require folks who come and stay over a certain length of time to at least have rudimentary skills in the nations primary language. Knowing some of a second language would be helpful, but I am old enough to remember when naturalized citizens to this country had to learn the language. They had to recite the pledge of allegiance in English. I do not think that we should be accommodating them to this degree. Do you realize how many languages one would have to learn to speak in this country alone, to be able to communicate with people from other countries who are here whether they are legally or illegally here.
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| Posted over 3 years ago A second language.........with so many languages in the world, it'd be impossible to be fluent enough in so many! But what WOULD make sense is that every floor of every hospital, nursing home, etc. have a book with simple phrases in many languages.
"Are you in pain?" "Are you hungry?" etc etc etc............... |
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| Posted over 3 years ago captian whoever, Let's say I have also had Latin, many years. I went to a private Catholic school I know the origin of our language. But our local stores that for no reason are selling products that are in another language--no I will not buy it. I can actually read it. Will I buy Chinese tea, that all the ingredients are in Chinese -no way. I like to be informed on what I am buying anyway. And my grandparents, the reason they changed their name to Walker from Vage,is because the American census takers could not spell it correctly, and V's are pronounced like W's and J's are pronounced like Y's.etcetc They were just so eager to be Americans. My great grandparents siblings immediately had to go to civil war and 2 of them died. They lived in Dakota territory,again, it was written they were happy to fight for their new country.
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| Posted over 3 years ago Not only do I think that nurses should not be required to speak a second language, I think they should stop all this "Push one for English" stuff on voice mails and also teaching classes in Spanish in schools. I do not mean teaching the nSpanish language, I am talking about teaching math, reading, science to the student in Spanish. If a person comes to the US they should learn English. Nursing demands extremely high ethics red44pc@yahoo.com |
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| Posted over 3 years ago precisely, as nurses, we get to meet different people, atleast learn the basic. "happiness depends upon ourselves" |
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| Posted over 3 years ago Since ENGLISH is the official language of the United States as well as the international language of business I see no reason why citizens should be required to learn a language for the convenience of those who do not make an effort to learn OURS. They have NO PROBLEM accepting Medicaid, welfare, etc. so they should learn the language of the sponsoring country. When I visited England, I learned to speak the Queen's English and to use THEIR terminology and currency while I was there. Likewise when I was in Germany recently. I don't presume to have someone who is native to a country where a different language is spoken to understand my 'piney woods' Southern dialect and I expect the same when they come here. Teddy Roosevelt once said: America has room for only one language, and that is English! Those who would live here must learn to speak and use it. That statement is as true today as it was in TR's time. Besides, it is rude as hell to speak a foreign language in the presence of someone who does not understand it unless an interpreter is present and the communication flows both ways. When in Rome... |
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| Posted over 3 years ago No nurses should not be required to speak a second language. Already have to much on their plate i will not learn a second language the mexicans came here i expect them to speak english. I don't think we ask them to come here they just did to find work. It is up to them to be able to speak to me. |
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| Posted over 3 years ago i beg to disagree with you guys, English is not spoken all over the world. Chinese (Mandarin, Cantonese etc) is spoken by 1.3 billion people followed by the languages of India by 1.1 B. English by USA, Canada, UK, Australia and some commonwealth countries combined are only spoken by about 500 million people. |




