That was enjoyable dmazement!  Condoms help stop HIV....."you've got me stumped"!  Hillarious!!!!!!!  Did he really say that?  I believe it, but I'll go ahead and check to be sure.  McCain is so awkward.  Did anyone notice that last night.....especially after the debate was over and it was time to shake hands and say goodbye?  It's hard to watch him sometimes....I'm so embarassed for the poor guy.  I attached a picture below just in case anyone missed it.  It's called "McCain Does the Monster Mash Again"!  ROTFL.....LOL  ;-) 

I think the reason McCain and his supporters push the eloquence issue so much is they're jealous because McCain is far from it.  I also find it interesting that McCain tends to spin some of his campaign slogans during debates so they sound similar to Obama's.  Like the increase in computer technology for healthcare to reduce mistakes/cost.  This was during the second debate only moments after Obama proposed it (but more eloquently of course). 

I really hope that McCain supporters are not just voting for him because he's pro-life and that there's more depth to their decision-making. 

Wow, Do you guys judge the quality of your doctors by how eloquent and good looking they are? 

That is so superficial.

LOL  No kitty, not at all!  There's many, many things that I consider in individuals.  It was just very comical to see him last night and then come across a photo as well.  I was literally laughing for a good fifteen minutes!  So, I should thank him...because he just provided me with an opportunity to boost my health (they say laughing is good for you).

His level appearence and articulation have very little to do with my decision to not vote for him.  It's really about the issues.  Sorry if I upset you!  ;-)

My brother was killed in Vietnam, I would have taken him back tongue hanging out, with a limp and in any condition.  So, I don't think I'll be laughing with you anytime soon.

Kitty,

I will gladly apologize to you, once again.  I am very sorry that this picture stuck a chord with you and you have mistaken my sentiment.  I am also very very deeply sorry you lost your brother.  My brother is a Marine at risk in Iraq as we speak, and I would never disrespect anyone's service in the military.  It was a funny picture....that's all.

Have a wonderful day!  ;-)

Wow dmazement, I can see how an experience like that would lead to your stance.

For me, the issue doesn't ever seem to be black and white.  It's always grey.  I can see validity in both perspectives, especially when poignant and plausible stories like this are shared.  I don't think it's appealing that some women are careless with their sexual practices and use abortion as a method of birth control.  BUT, that's not always the scenario.  Neither is it the case that all women who have abortions are selfish and don't want the "burden of a baby", nor are all women who have abortions of poor moral values.  Sometimes, women choose abortion because of rape or incest.  Sometimes, they choose abortion because the pregnancy is dangerous to their health.  To me, it doesn't really matter if there's only 1 woman per year needing an abortion for those latter two reasons, or even if it's just a possibility that someone might need this procedure.  Sometimes, it is necessary and makes sense.

So, I consider the collective result of both positions....... 

With a ban on abortion, those sometimes occurences are ignored, and the women in those predicaments (no matter how rare) are ignored.  Only one point of view, opinion, or option is acknowledged.

With pro-choice, there is consideration for those sometimes situations.  All women are given options to decide what they prefer.  They are free to still decide that abortion is not the right choice for them and they are free to elect to have an abortion if those sometimes scenarios occur. 

It becomes really controversial when the fetus/baby is discussed and that is so complex to address.   If those women who would have elected to abort are no longer given the choice, what would be the consequence? 

Adoption?.......sometimes

Abandonment?......sometimes

Hiding the pregnancy and thus jeopardizing their own health and the baby's health?........sometimes

Keeping the baby?...........sometimes

Keeping the baby and being a good parent?.....sometimes

Keeping the baby and being a neglectful parent (stemming from a variety of potential factors such as immaturity, crisis, poor environment, lack of support etc.)?................sometimes

Self-inflicted abortion?..........sometimes

Illegal unregulated abortion?.........sometimes

For me, the sometimes' and uncertainties are what lead me to believe that retaining individual choice is important in terms of the whole picture.  Me personally, I would not choose an elective abortion for myself.  I would adapt to the changes if I became pregnant unexpectedly.  But, I also have a supportive husband, family, and friends.  My husband and I have an education and the ability to make the money necessary to support a child, we're mature, responsible, and strong.  Some women do not live this scenario.  Some women NEED to have a choice. 

I am pro-choice and was really concerned to hear that Palin was against abortion in the case of rape or incest. I mean, how sad it would be for either case to have no choice but to carry a baby of such a violent act.

It conflicts with my religious beliefs, so I stuggle with saying this, but I just do not think that they should not have a choice.

I mean they did not have a choice in getting preg in these cases, did they??

I also hate to hear about all the children abused, neglected etc... If I had a choice to be in heaven or abused profoundly, I think I would choose heaven.

It is a very hard subject to discuss openly, because people judge those of us who are pro-choice as if we are monsters.

Of course, I think sex education should definetly also be in schools, which Palin also disagree's with, and this may be the only place some children may get it. I think you should have to sign a consent so if you do not want your child to participate, then okay. But, to not have this option available is irresponsiable, in my opinion. Its like Nancy Regan's idea of drug abuse, JUST SAY NO. Come on that obviously didn't work either...

Teaching abstinence is great, but that obviously doesn't always work either... Look at Palin's daughter... I do not judge her daughter, not at all, I just mean it didn't work in her own home. Sorry to drag Palin into this, but I was really shocked that she is that niave.