Here's a bunch more reason not to vote for him

Obama supports Socialism which means more government control, the last thing we need. We do not need more government programs that operate like Social Securty. We do not need the government in our pockets more than they already are.

Obama will Raise taxes. Tax the rich, that's a real smart move, tax the people that give alot of the the middle and lower class jobs. That in turn would actually cost jobs because the businesses and corporations would have to cut jobs to pay the taxes. The richest in this country already pay the majority of the taxes anyways.


Supports Cap and Trade, which would put alot of small businesses out of business.



Obama is friendly with a domestic terrorist, William Ayers. The creator of Weather Underground also known as AmeriKKKa's Red Army who bombed the White House and New York Police headquarters and waged war on the US in the 60's. William Ayers is on record saying in Sept 2001 that he and his group "didn't do enough" and "wouldn't rule out the notion of using bombs again". You can also Search for more stuff on his relationship with William Ayers by searching Barack Obama William Ayers in any search engine.

Obama also has ties to a guy name Tony Rezko. A slum lord in Chicago. Obama has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from Tony Rezko as campaign contributions. You can also Search for more stuff on his relationship with Tony Rezko by searching Barack Obama Tony Rezko in any search engine.Obama spent 20 years attending a church where the Reverend made comments like "no no no not God Bless America, God D*** American". Why would anyone spend 20 years at a church if they didn't agree with what the reverend was preaching. The Reverend Jeremiah Wright also married Obama and his wife and baptized his daughters. You can also Search for more stuff on his relationship with Jeremiah Wright by searching Barack Obama Jeremiah Wright in any search engine.

Obama wants to meet without preconditions with the United States's enemies, such as Iran's President, Chavez of Venzuela. And said he'd consider attacking our ally Pakistan. Why would you attack an Ally?


He doesn't want to drill for oil or build nuclear energy plants or mine coal. Other things that would create more jobs for the American people and would lower gas prices and energy prices. Yet he wants to put 150 million electric cars on the road in 10 year. My question is without building power plants how are you going to charge the battery of those 150 million electric cars. There's absolutely no way our electrical infrastructure could handle that load.

Obama also has plans to cut our military. First, he'll stop spending $9 billion a month in Iraq, which would put our troops in more harms way, but not providing them the equipment they need to WIN the war. And as president he will end it, which would mean DEFEAT. He will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems. He will not weaponize space. He will slow our development of future combat systems. He will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons. He will not develop new nuclear weapons; He will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material; and He will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert, and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals. In a Post 911 world, cutting our military is a grave mistake. The US needs to stay on the offensive not become defensive.

Obama has flip flopped on issues that is dear to Americans.

There is an intelligent person on this board....TY prettykitty.

My goodness, I'm going to have to get out of here......there is way too much New Syndrome for me!!!!!  See you ladies around!  Maybe we'll catch up after the election to celebrate Obama's victory with a cup o' tea!!!!   Mweh.

I read that link a few weeks ago, Kitty..    MG................I'm glad to see you on this thread.........so you're not voting for Obama either? 

The people who dont work <I dont  mean the disabled who cant work, btw> will get a check..............and they didnt pay taxes for that check.  If he wins, Id like to say "well, I'll just quit working and be on welfare too".  Im not saying that, I have too much self respect to wait for handouts.  Was there something Obama said about those getting a check having to do some sort of community work to get welfare?  Now that's not a bad idea.  I  know the guy who ran a red light and hit me head on in a wreck causing me emergency surgery had to do 'community service' as punishment for dui, driving without a license, and leaving the scene of the wreck on foot with an injured person < me >.  Sounds kind of like a weird likeness, huh?  No posts, no sources.............just an opinion.  Hcope................I totally see your point!!! 

A good 49 % of people  in this country (I think of taxable age) don't pay taxes, so that leaves the remaining 50 % to pay their own taxes an those of the 50 % who  don't pay taxes. This seems pretty dang unequitable to me and we should be able to develop a tax  system that doesn't REWARD you (with a check) for not working. Like someone aid, it's easier than working. The disabled don't account for much, as  Uncle Sam is pretty strict about meeting certain requirements and jumping through hoops to get his money.

However, with BO's plan there would be NO incentive to be a productive member of society, like you are; unless it's an interior motive, like having too much pride to accept a handout. But, there are those wo don't care about pride and they'll accept ANY handout they can get.. BO sure can't  rely on everyone having your sense of desire to have a good work ethic. I'm definitely not for making the 49 $% more like 70 % with Barack Obama's  tax  configuration. JOHN MCCAIN/PALIN '08

Another news flas that has  not  hiti the papers yet can be found on this websie from Australia: 

www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24563773-601,00.html

On another note and one not related to this thread, last evening I was reading a New York Times site-oor some site. Apparently, and I'm thinkinging you  know this, but I wasn't: A friend/aquaintance of Kahlil Sheik Mohammed wrote a letter of recommendation for BO to Harvard. There are just toooooo many questionable relationships like that to be healthy. Again I saw that if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, acts like a duck, makes you think it's a duck; there's likely a duck in it's backround.

I can't find the link I was reading, but I'll  hunt around; maybe Youtube gave me the initial kick, then I went out on my own.

Despite all the Access, Foreign Journalists Come out of Africa Empty

Ask Africans what is their chief criticism of Western journalists and you’ll get an almost unanimous answer: They rarely cover us, and, on the few times when they do, they never get it right.

“They have no idea what they are talking about,” Nunu Kidane, the director of California-based Priority Africa Network, a coalition of community organizations, told me in a telephone conversation in February.

Nowhere was the inaccuracy in Western media more evident than in the recent coverage of the conflict in my home country, Kenya, where a disputed election between incumbent President Mwai Kibaki and his chief opponent Raila Odinga led to violence that killed more than 1,000 people and displaced hundreds of thousands more.

The root of the trouble in Africa’s new hotspot was baffling to Western journalists. Unlike most of Kenya’s neighbors – Somalia, Ethiopia, Uganda, Sudan – my country of birth had been generally peaceful. In fact, Kenya had for a long time played a vital role not only in absorbing refugees from those countries, but also in mediating to end civil wars in the volatile Horn of Africa region. Before the violence, Kenya had had three generally peaceful multiparty elections and was experiencing an economic boom and an annual growth averaging around 6 percent.

Kenya also had the age-old romantic image of breathtaking sunsets, savanna grasslands dotted with acacia trees, and national parks and game reserves populated with exotic wild animals. Why then, Americans wondered, were citizens of the last paradise in Africa – the “friendly face in a rough neighborhood,” – hacking each other to death like savages?

The ill-informed foreign journalists – armed only with “parachute memos” and desperate to explain to their audiences why the “beacon of hope and democracy” erupted so violently – fell to the easy explanation that it was driven by tribal differences. That got a lot of Kenyans outraged.

“How may we address the huge incorrectness in the messages being given to the international community?” one of the dozens of e-mails to my address asked. “If it is not corrected, it will hurt Kenya and Kenyans in the long run.”

Kenyans were concerned about their reputation because they are not the tribal extremists journalists had painted them to be. Yes, initially the violence had been between Odinga’s tribe, the Luo, and Kibaki’s, the Kikuyu. And, the numbers showed that each group had overwhelmingly voted for its tribesman. But the conflict in Kenya was more complicated than that.

In fact, in a 2005 government-sponsored referendum for a new constitution, scores of Kikuyus sided with Odinga to vote against President Kibaki. That alone is proof that Kenya was not the “impossible mosaic of some 40 tribes that somehow held,” as Roger Cohen soon after the peace deal in his New York Times in an article titled “African Genocide Averted.” There are no people in Kenya claiming tribal supremacy, or neighborhoods that bar people of other tribes from living there. In fact, “tribe” is not so derogatory a word that it deserves to be abandoned, as some news organizations have.

Many Kenyans see tribe as an important identifier that one should be proud of. We even address our friends of other tribes as, “Hey, Maasai!” or, “Hello, Mkikuyu.” Rather than arouse animosity, this practice seems to reassure them that we acknowledge and respect their ancestral pride.

The violence in Kenya was a result of political incitement and an unjust system that allowed lawmakers (of all tribes) to increase their own salaries to levels that even in wealthy countries would be considered astronomical. A Kenyan legislator today earns over $80,000 – most of it tax-free – with allowances that nearly double the earnings. In a country that owes nearly $8 billion to international lenders –where civil servants are underpaid and nearly half of its 37 million people live on less than $1 a day – the inflated salaries didn’t rest well with the populace. The lawmakers defended their hefty compensation as a hedge against the temptation of bribery. When that didn’t happen, Kenyans did not react violently, but rather gave democracy a chance.

“Kenyans waited patiently for 40 years to get KANU (the former ruling party) out of power,” James Maina, the director of Hema la Katiba, a youth organization pushing for a new constitution, told me in June 2006 after MPs increased their perks. “I think we can wait another year or so to get rid of them.”

(Maina is a Kikuyu and was assisted by Fredrick Odhiambo and John Korir, a Luo and a Kalenjin, the two ethnic groups politicians incited to hack Kikuyus to death).

The truth is that on Dec. 27, most Kenyans went to the polls intending to fire their greedy MPs and an ineffective government, not to defeat Kikuyus. Many of the 119 losers of the 190 candidates seeking re-election came from Kikuyu areas, testimony that, like their fellow citizens, Kikuyus were unhappy with their leaders. Yet when Kibaki was declared winner, despite evidence of severe improprieties in the tallying of ballots, supporters of the opposition saw that as proof that Kikuyus were indeed “the enemy” and set out to kill them.

Foreign media seem to believe that their audiences at home do not care about what happens in Africa during times of peace. After Annan successfully brokered a truce between Kibaki and Odinga, the same journalists jetted out faster than they came in.

“The press corps consisted mostly of local journalists as opposed to the situation a month ago when foreign journalists would outnumber local ones on functions like yesterday’s,” The Standard, Kenya’s number two daily, reported from the March 4 meeting.

They could not wait four days to cover the critical first meeting between the two leaders.

It disturbs me when I hear comments that poor people are lazy. I know of many, many CNAs who have no insurance. They in some cases are working two jobs to raise kids alone. Far from lazy. I grew up in extreme poverty. No hot water. Four kids in one bed. sharing a bathroom with three other apratments.No phone. No TV. Kids like you making fun of me. Dont talk to me about poor.

Kim, Dont let it bug you. It is just the words of someone with an attitude and someone who, if they were poor, forgot where they came from.

OH BOY......HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!  I'm going to have to tell Jane on all of you!  LOL!!!

I'm not even going to touch the political stuff ANYMORE.....everyone knows how I feel by now and they can see in my previous posts what I might have to say.

Kudos to you tiffani !!!!!   I'm so glad you are voting....and kudos to you LPNurseKim for standing up for yourself and fighting for what's important to you!

Ginny,
Nothing could bug me today! I'm making the last of my "get out the vote" phone calls from home today while my champagne is chilling for the celebration tonight! I read most of this stuff and restrain myself from going on...I just had to blow a little steam this time. Have a great night!

cdnurse says ...

Kim, Dont let it bug you. It is just the words of someone with an attitude and someone who, if they were poor, forgot where they came from.

Kim it is going to be a fantastic night. I just wonder, all of the people who are now homeless because of the housing and mortage problems, are they lazy?

Thanks mg. I should have included those.

Termite says ...

I see voting for BO as a fealgood gutless choice. 

Termite; agreed: You're somtimes right on the get  up and help yourself front. I believe though that ideology differs. I believe that on tough issues (and llet's take abortion here as an example-that has ruined more families and lives than we'll ever know) that people think that the government is the easy solution, so they don't have to come to grips with a tough issue like this one.

It is easier to say that JM is pro-life and you don't like it and you won't vote for anyone prolife; rather than study  the WHOLE issue  here and see what BO WILL do.

Comes along someone like McCain, who is pro-life and Dems have got their undies in a bundle becaue he states that he feels roe is a piece of flawed legislation that should be overturned. THAT'S IT. He doesn't say he'll overturn it. He just states facts that he sees/feels. Dems don't study the issue (and here is where the laziness creeps in) realizing that his plan is to put women's rights into the states' hands. They don't realize that he'll be nominating supreme court justices who are strict constructionists  (will only INTERPRET the Constitution and NOT legislate from the bench of the Supreme Court).

He's gone on record as having said that the LEGISLATION of ANY matter is the Congress and Senate  (sounds pretty much like a civics lesson) where BO would have liberal judges, and if they're liberal enough, there can be a free for all with OUR RIGHTS AND THE CONSTITUTION and legislating from the bench (I think I read that on BO's website).

People who are so incredibly  concerned the JM will overturn Roe, need to look what it takes to reverse a consitutional ammendment (which Roe is). Not only does a prez have to agree to it, a certain percentage of the house and senate,  BUT THEN a certain percentage of the states need to agree that it should be overturned. I'm not accurate in my proceedings, but suffice it to say: It's just not just something you do on a 'whim!'

How does this fit into the 'lazyness' category? Because many people who are litmus test candidates (possibly pro-abortion) and are afraid that Roe will be overturned under a JM/SP presidency are "too lazy" to learn the facts, that JM believes that the federal government has NO business being involved with our bodies, that it's the function of the states (states rights); and he'll give more money to states so that they can support expectant Moms, but it is NOT the business of the Federal government. That's Federalism. That is what I feel is meant by a statement that might indicate Dems are lazy.

I have more family members, women, who said they'd have NO president who would take over their 'reproductive rights' or those of their daughters. Actually, even though BO is pro-choice, he's more likely to have liberal judges on the Supreme Court who WILL legislate from the bench- something our founding fathers DID NOT WANT. They wanted SEPARATION of the Executive legislative and judicial branches.

cdnurse says ...

Kim it is going to be a fantastic night. I just wonder, all of the people who are now homeless because of the housing and mortage problems, are they lazy?

I dont think those people are lazy.  I think alot of those people bought homes they couldn't afford, and got a mortgage company to do whatever they did to make the numbers look like they made more than they did.  Many of those people, in MY opinion, and its sure not an educated opinion either, received bad mortgage advice.  The mortgage companies had so many crooks involved, I feel like alot of those people were taken advantage of.  Many people just live above their means.  We scrimp and save, eat out rarely because we dont want to pull out plastic to pay for a meal.  Whats also sad is people are buying milk, bread, eggs..........etc, using plastic.  Eventually they have to pay.  I very close friend of mine at work, a MA, lost her husband in a car accident Valentines Day 2 years ago.  He had no life insurance policy except what our company does for spouses <its tiny>.  She lost her house and filed bankruptsy about 7 monthes ago...........and a portion of her paycheck comes out to pay off that debt.  I dont see how she can feed her kids.  One of them is now a freshman in college..........a bunch of us got together and provided for her needs for her dorm room.  She said 'I have no idea how we got that loan in the first place'.  That does not make her a bad person and she sure as heck isn't lazy.  I hope that money for the bailout will somehow make it to help some of the people like my coworker. 

this post is regarding the post I just put in on mortgages:  I bet my coworker did not have friends at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for a sweetheart deal like Dodd and Barney Frank. I'm actually not sure if one or both of them had the 'sweetheart deal', I just dislike them equally.