You said what I've wanted to say but I would have probably said it in much stronger words than you did

Judleern

of course! When it comes to some things, such as child molestors and such, we should care wether it's your child or not. But in the case of gay/lesbians it doesn't hurt US if they want to cement their relationshio with a CIVIL union. Being married in a court house like I was, or a chapel or on the beach or where ever is just fine. Some get married in churches and that too is fine. I don't know that any churche would allow a gay couple to marry there, but there are plenty of other non-religous places to get marrried. I don't think we should care if they want to be married. They are people who just want to be happy and have rights like everyone else. They are not trying to do anything illegal in my mind. There are people that thought the slaves should not be free. But there were more of those that did. Don't they deserve the same rights? This is an issue of rights to humans under the law.

Jud all I ever want to do when I post my opinion is to maybe get someone to think outside their box. 

JUDLEERN says ...

Yes, in reality Jenny, you and Dzmazment have had me thinking, Why do I really care, and you know, I really do not. Again, I just have religious convictions that tell me a marriage is between " a man and a women", that is really my only issue...

 

And, how does this change or challenge your beliefs? Also, if it is releigion, it has no place in government.

Since California already has in place 'domestic partnerships', why the big stink?  Prop 8 did not get rid of the domestic partnerships.  At least by defining marriage as between 1 man and 1 woman, we are not opening up the possiblity of polygamy or other potential issues. 

Marriage is the social, religious, spiritual OR LEGAL union between two individuals.  Gays/lesbians do not have these benefits and anyone who thinks they do, needs to do some research.

frumpster65 says ...

Marriage is a social,religious,spiritual and LEGAL union between a MAN and a WOMAN.......

that is your definition, however the official definition does not state between a man and woman it is between two individuals.

JUDLEERN says ...

I still think the definition of marriage is between a man and a women. At least my definition, and the common sence definition.

Deb, you got me to say I really do not care, but I do care about changing what we have always known marriage to be. Call it something else for pete's sake, like garriage.

The word marriage is used for many different combinations besides this.  Why change it? 

Frumpster, this is your view and you are certainley allowed to have it as am I but you make it sound like you want to stone the homosexuals!!!??? Is it so hard for you to allow someone else the happiness you get being straight? Is it so hard for you to just let them be who they want to be and have rights like everyone else? They are not the devil! They may be doing something that is religously wrong in your eyes, but to them it is natural. Like I said before, does this personally affect you or hurt you in some way? Nope!

frumpster65 says ...

Jenny.

One of my Uncles after being married for 17 years and having 3 children ...decided he was GAY!

He left his wife and left his kids and now lives with a wealthy man ..whom he says he "loves"

So yes it has affected our family...and it hurt his kids and his wife!

Even without religious beliefs I wouldnt support it......There are alot of non religious people that dont support it either...

 

 You know, considering the times he grew up in, this doesn't surprize me.  He didn't decide he was Gay, he finally made the decision he couldn't live a lie anymore.  Ever try to be something you're not?  or feel something you don't?  or care about something you can't or don't?  care about someone you don't or can't? 

He doesnt take care of his responsibilities ..just left his family to fend for themselves .

Its a shame.

Nursejenny1310 says ...

Straight people do that ALLTHE TIME!

Yes Jenny they do.  Lots of them

Show me the scripture.

Has anyone ever thought about the fact half of the Bible is about 2800  years old and the first half is around 6000 years old?  Education and medical advancement has gone beyond many things in the Bible.  There is medical evidence, (pituitary gland is different in homosexuals than others)  people are born gay, regardless of what prejudices many of you wish to hang on to. 

Would it not be to everyone's best interest to accept people for who and what they are, rather than continually trying to change, force prejudicial views, ostracize, criticize those who are different?  Would not giving gays the same rights through marraige, allow to have families, accept them for themselves, strengthen society rather than pull it further apart?  Seems to me, giving them the rights they should already have as human beings, tax payers, upstanding citizens would set examples to others, including straights, promiscuity isn't tolerated and that giving up on relationships by being able to just walk away, since they don't have legally binding unions or  nor are they universally accepted.

I have several gay friends who have been in monogamous relationships for over 30 years.  They don't cheat, stay out late, and missed the AIDS epidemic because of this.  None of them fight like heterosexual couples I know.  They are not abusive to each other.  Seems to me, many heterosexual couples could learn from them.

Not one of my gay/lesbian friends has ever said they chose to be gay.  They all felt they didn't have a choice, they felt they were born this way.  One friend said to me........Do you really think I would have chosen such a difficult life style, going against everything I had been taught growing up, being shunned by society as a whole?  Some of them tried to be straight.  Were married, had children and were never, ever happy.  Maybe some of them didn't handle the break up their marraige well, but many straights don't either.  However, all of them are productive members of society and pay a whole lot of taxes, employ others in many cases.  Some are active church and Temple members where they are accepted.  None have ever been in jail, prison, broken the law, beaten their spouses or children, stolen anything and none are pedophiles. 

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