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Posted over 4 years ago

 

We just admitted a women in the end stage of cirrhosis of the liver, non alcoholic, and she came with orders for lactulose QID! Already has loose stools daily x 2-3 but we were told there is a reason for this. Can anyone tell me what the reason is? Inquiring minds want to know why we want to cause diarrhea in a liver failure patient?

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In a liver failure patient, ammonia levels can rise quickly. Lactulose helps keep those levels from getting to the point of hepatic encephalopathy in which the patient basically goes in to dementia before your eyes. Maybe they are trying to buy the patient some time if they are on a transplant list or are going for surgery?

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The lactulose pulls ammonia from the bloodstream in to the colon, which is then excreted in the stool.

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guess I should add you should keep an eye on BUN every few days. The patient needs good care, and should be checked frequently due to the large amount of loose BMs. It is difficult, but it gives you a chance to be a good nurse, even if the treatment seems like a waste of time and a big mess.

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According to the MD the pt is in the end stage, will not be getting a transplant and is basically here to be taken care of until the end. The husband really wants to take her home. She already has encephalopothy and can be sweet as sugar one minute and cursing you out the next. Feel really bad because she hates taking it and her husband begs her to everytime.

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Have they made a hospice consult?If the pt is terminal she qualifies for hospice and could home on such.That is depending on her insurance, financial situation,etc.I think everyone deserves to be where they feel the most comfortable to live out their last days, if that is feasible.Hopefully this will be able to happen in her case.       Pezzy

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Anonymous says ...



In a liver failure patient, ammonia levels can rise quickly. Lactulose helps keep those levels from getting to the point of hepatic encephalopathy in which the patient basically goes in to dementia before your eyes. Maybe they are trying to buy the patient some time if they are on a transplant list or are going for surgery?



This sounds right, I worked in a liver unit before, and patients with allevated  ammonia levels, will be very aggitated, and confused. The nurses on the unit will some times have to put the patient on 4 point leather restraints, and use haldo, and ativan to controll the patient, from being combative to all the other nurses and techs. Cuttie

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If there's a patient with liver failure or hepatic encephalopothy, the treatment goal is to decrease the ammonial level. Laculose will do it for sure, by pulling ammonia from the cells into the blood stream and then the ammonia is excreted.  The side effect of  this is lots of bowel movements (often diarrhea)  and that in effect will decrease the ammonia levels.


Is the patient a hospice patient, or what is the physician's diagnosis. Is s/he eligible for a transplant or other agressive measures? If not, advocate for your patient by asking the physician for a referral to hospice. Why anonymous? Annie


 

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I put this in the anonymous zone because it is dealing with an actual patient I have right now. I just don't want anything to come back on me about HIPPA. She is not on hospice because the famiuly does not think they can afford it. She is not old enough for medicare and does not qualify for medicaid. Crappy situation really. According to the MD she really wont be getting better, she hates taking the lactulose and is very uncomfortable with all the loose stools.  The husband wants her to take it and she want s to do what he wants because she loves him and wants him to be happy.

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Why would a person with double pneumonia get lactulose? 

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I don't know does this have something to do with any of the posts above?  I think its about a liver pt.

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Yes the patient does have a liver problem. Thanks for your reply !!

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Why would a person with double pneumonia get lactulose? 



Does lactulose help in a pneumonia patient too?


Thanks guys for clearing up  my question, I don't even have a slight recolection of learning about that in school. Get some good info from expereince though! Thanks again

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Lactulose doesn't help with pneumonia, only in this case because she has high ammonia levels.It can also be used for severly constipated pt's to alleviate the problem.  Pezzy

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To really clear it up. Here goes. My friend had no s+s of a cold. No s.o.b. He does have Hep C.  He was getting a little confused.Temp was 102.4. after he finally saw a Dr. He was admitted. His said his ammonia level was high. He was not constipated he stated.

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Ok how many patients are we talking about? Some of the posts are completely off from answering the original question. Whats going on here?

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I put this in the anonymous zone because it is dealing with an actual patient I have right now. I just don't want anything to come back on me about HIPPA. She is not on hospice because the famiuly does not think they can afford it. She is not old enough for medicare and does not qualify for medicaid. Crappy situation really. According to the MD she really wont be getting better, she hates taking the lactulose and is very uncomfortable with all the loose stools.  The husband wants her to take it and she want s to do what he wants because she loves him and wants him to be happy.



It sounds like a sad situation ... the use of lactulose does not fix the underlying problem of liver failure, and is only short-term.


You could still advocate for the patient and try to get the hospice consult - sometimes they have ways of getting things for financial hardship situations. At least give hospice a shot - the worst they can say is no.


Does the husband understand the disease process and that his wife is going to die soon? Might be time to have that conversation with him, as difficult as that is. Approach an R.N. supervisor and get some direction first, then go from there. Continue to be supportive of the patient and the family - you are a good nurse and doing the best you can.


God bless and take care, friend.