How does everyone feel about the massacre in Gaza--over 300 killed and over 750 injured...for me this is personal because i am palestinian, even though things like this happen all the time in Palestine, this is one of the few times the media is following the tragady

***update 1140 killed ...5150 wounded***

I do not have a conflicting opinion and I'm about to hit submit.

1.  How many civilians in Israel have been killed by Hamas from Giza rockets?  I dont know, but it's something to consider.

2.  Israel has a RIGHT to defend itself ..I have friends who are Jewish and I wonder how they feel about Hamas causing deaths to civilans in their nation.

3.  HA Nurse........I'm sorry if your family has experienced any losses, as I feel for anybody on both sides <Israel and Gaza>.

4.  This can of worms has been opened, then I'm going to respectfully say what I think which is my right as a member  of NL and will not be dictated to.......... this is not our  election.  We will not have another presidential election for 4 more years.......... President elect Obama is a good man and will be a great president.

Sewnew thank you for posting that....i did not post this discussion to ask who everyone thinks is right and who is wrong...i am just apalled because this has been going on since around 1948 and and hasnt really been in the media much....

and to respond to your response Angie, and I hope you dont take this the wrong way...the death toll for the palestinian people is by far higher than that of the jewish people...and CNN reported the other day that the attack by Hamas killed 1 jewish civillian and many injured... the jewish people killed, (yesterdays death toll) over 400 killed and over 800 injured, and these are civillians...the jewish people are not the victim here...this is only the recent Gaza masacre not to mention the deaths since 1948...

there is soo much more facts i can give...but all i ask is dont believe everything you hear and see in the media...

With Peace~Haneen

HA_Nurse2Be says ...

How does everyone feel about the massacre in Gaza--over 300 killed and over 750 injured...for me this is personal because i am palestinian, even though things like this happen all the time in Palestine, this is one of the few times the media is following the tragady

You asked this question. 

This has been going on since 1948.............yup...........and they have a right to exist.  I guess they want to protect themselves from further bombings?  Im no expert, however I find the media biased and untruthful, I dont believe half of it anymore. 

http://www.adl.org/main_israel/hamas_facts.htm

I am sorry but I am not as informed as I would like to be, so I will not offer any opinion other than to say that I can understand your anger at having your homeland in shambles.  I sincerely hope that your family is well and you have had no personal tragedy in your family from this latest fighting.  Of course I understand that everyone on both sides is undergong some sort of personal tragedy.

My family lost people to the fighting in Northern Ireland years ago, not to mention being stripped of their language and having the men conscripted.  Old wounds do run deep.

I sincerely wish that there can be some sort of peaceful resolution to this situation that has been going on for 60 + years.  I know that this sounds terribly naive.  It is a very complex issue.

My sincerest sympathies to our Muslim and Jewish friends on the site, as well other members whose homeland is undergoing  a terrible war.

This is a very touchy subject and please, I hope to have offended no one.                                                                                 Submit.

I have no sympathies for HAMAS either...............they were also among the ones dancing in the street and singing along with Iran, Syria and others on 911 when over 3000 people were killed by the planes being flown into the twin towers. They seemed very happy about that too............character flaw. 

Kittyrn says ...

Israel is this tiny country, about the size of NJ....the only Jewish country in the world.    It pretty much stands alone against the entire Islamic world....Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, countries that wouldn't blink twice if it's people were to be destroyed.  HAMAS;s  entire philosophy is the destruction of Israel......It wants Israel to cease to exist by any and all means.  Why can't the Jewish people have a country to call their own?  It's a tiny country around 14,000 square miles, the Arab world which occupies over 10 million square miles, won't even let a people be, that were almost marched into extinction live in peace.   Sorry, but that is just plain wrong.

Im sorry Kittyrn...but do u honestly think that you can just go into someone else's homeland and call it your own peacefully? That makes no sense at all...do you think that if the jews tried to claim the US as "a country to call thier own" we will give it up without a fight? No way would that happen...

HA Nurse2Be............regarding your post: 

"Im sorry Kittyrn...but do u honestly think that you can just go into someone else's homeland and call it your own peacefully? That makes no sense at all...do you think that if the jews tried to claim the US as "a country to call thier own" we will give it up without a fight? No way would that happen..."

Well, it was done.  Either they can get over it and live and let live or keep fighting like terrorists.  Im thrilled the United States backs Israel's right to exist and backs them with their progress on survival.    The Jews are all around us, they are our neighbors, friends, coworkers and relatives.  Im rusty and not as educated as I would like to be on the history of Israel becoming its own territory, I'm going to look it up.  From what I remember about bits and pieces, didn't America help Israel with this whole thing back in the 40s? 

dmazment says ...

HA originally where Israel is, it was a jewish homeland.  The jews were expunged from there by ancient Romans and Egypt several thousand years ago.  They simply reclaimed it.  This could all be stopped if both sides would negotiate and stop the hate.  Israel has tried and given a great many concessions, but the other countries refuse to give up anything. 

This country, founded by many different nationalities, with one commonality.  Their religion of Judaism.  All that has ever been wanted was a place to practice their religion and to feel safe.  At one time, there was no place in the world, where any person of this faith could feel safe or free to practice their religion.  Until 1948, post WW11, there was no Jewish Army.  They were thought to be cowards, who wouldn't or couldn't fight for their freedom to worship their own religion.  Now, today this country is one of the fiercest fighters for their rights in the world.

Israeli's want peace, but the surrounding countries refuse to allow it.  Just remember there are at least two sides to every story.  Israel may have killed many, but many Israelites have also lost their lives and family members.

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The Jews say that all of Palestine belongs to them, as it was theirs when God established them in that land thousands of years ago. None of God's blessings in the life of this world are unconditional. It is only as long as a nation fulfills its part of the covenant that God allows the nation to prosper and enjoy His extra-ordinary blessings in this world. Thus, the Jews, because of their transgressions, were deprived of the possession of Palestine even before the advent of the Christ (pbuh).

Jerusalem is a holy city for both religions, as well as Christianity.

 

 

Kittyrn says ...

Again, the tiny nation of Israel is 14,000 miles surrounded by many organizations like Hamas who wish to bring death to the Israelites.  Hamas is listed as a terrorist organization by many nations around the world, including Canada, who I think are pretty liberal and neutral. Jerusalem is still a holy city, and is still shared by many religions.  And as you, yourself said 'none of God's blessings are unconditional', so if God took it away from them once, he has now given it back to them!  I, myself, support Israel, and you will find many many Americans like me that believe in their right to exisit, and practice in peace.  Hitler tried to blame the Jews for many things as well...even blamed them for being 'successful'.  

Its not thiers yet. It really doesnt matter if you or anyone else supports Isreal...all that matters now is who will prevail in the end : )

thats easy kittyrn...the end is when the Palestinians triumph..it will happen, trust me...i have confidace in that : )

HA Nurse2Be..................Wow......so much hate.  Why do you live in America?  I dont begrudge you living here and earning a living,  and paying taxes.............but do your coworkers know you dont believe Israel does not have a right to exist?   I have a problem with a healthcare professional speaking in this manner....I would be concerned with the patients under your care honestly.  When I'm on the clock, I dont speak politics...........its a rule where I work, plus you can lose friends like that.   Being a hater of Israel is different......our current President and our President elect Obama are in support of Israels right to exist.

oh and one more thing---

Hamas is not a whole country, Gaza is not Hamas.

This war is not between two countries, with armies, it is a war by the fourth strongest army in the world against 1.5 million unarmed civilians that live in Gaza. Equate this terrorist act with that of the 9/11 terrorist attack on the U.S. The loss of 300 innocent lives of 1.5 million is equal to the loss of 60,000 lives of Americans.

isreal is using the exuse that the attacks were attacking Hamas...that is bullshit because the attacks are being targeted at innocent civillians...they dont care who they kill...they simply want to eliminate the palestinian people...

if the tables were turned and you kittyrn were from palestine how would you feel? I had to respond to this. 

I am a child of the world.  My ancestors as recent as the 1900's came from Germany, and prior to that the Netherlands.....My Father, fought against the Germans in WW2, and photographed nazi graves with his surname on it.  He often said that he was shooting his distant cousins. He was proud to be an American.  I was born in one state, and have lived the majority of my life in over half a dozen different states.  From as far west as Hawaii, to the east coast of New Jersey .  I have had the privilage of seeing many cultures  and religions co-exist in peace.   While living in Hawaii, I met and befriended a man who was a native Japanese.  He had fought against the United States during WW2.....he worked on the base of Pearl Harbor and was now a naturalized citiizen.  That is pretty amazing.   He left the past in the past!  He moved on...

You live here in the United States, you work here, you too are a child of the World.......Why don't you consider home where you live and work?  Leave the hatred behind, Israel belongs to Israel!  It has for over 70 years, before you were born!

let no1 get me wrong i dont hate the jewisht people...i really dont, there are many great jewish people that do great things...

i do however hate what some are doing...thats my perspective and thats were i stand...

and like i said i didnt start the discussion to discuss who is right and who is wrong...i might have got a little carried away with that one...my final statement...is God willing the Palestinian people will prevail.

With peace...H.A