I firmly believe in women's rights to choose and no one has the right to tell another what should or should not be allowed when it comes to their bodies.  All patients' have rights to refuse medical treatment and we accept this, but for some reason abortion, for any reason causes  overwhelming angry responses. 

One question.........why is this under games?

What about the baby's RIGHT to live.  The baby didn't CHOOSE to be conceived???  The mother did choose to have sex though????

dmazment says ...

I personally do not believe until the fetus is viable it has rights.  I'm sure this statement is going to make others nuts.  Things happen, condoms break, the pill is not foolproof, someone forgets/neglects to inform antibiotics negate the pill and one should use a condom while using them.  A girl is young, is pressured into sex or is not educated on birth control and protecting herself and she becomes pregnant.  There is a growing trend over the last  2 decades or more to not give their babies up for adoption but to keep them.  These children are the highest at risk for neglect, all types of abuse, failure to thrive, being born with STD's, HIV/AIDS. 

What we truly need is hard core in your face sex and parenting reality education, starting in the home and continued in the schools to help all the kids.  Then and only then will this epidemic begin to dissipate.    Over 750,000 girls as young as 10 become pregnant and keep their babies annually costing tax payers 14+ billion dollars.  I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather have my tax dollars go for education, rather than a child having a child.

Apparently many don't think females should make these mistakes.  We do, we're human and so very not perfect.

 

I'm with you on the education and once the fetus is viable it has rights.  As for this question, Who out there believes that legalizing abortion at ANY stage in a good thing?  If a fetus is viable it becomes a person. So abortion at and beyond the viable stage should not be allowed.  Like the story posted in the news on here not to long ago about the woman who had an abortion and the child was born alive and put out with the trash that is wrong. 

 

 

Our federal government DOES NOT recognize a child as having human rights until it is FULLY delivered from the mothers body.  This is why partial birth abortions are still performed.    Yes, there was a ban on them, but immediately after Bush signed it into law, it was taken to the Supreme court and the ban has never been upheld....NEVER.  Millions of women lose their right to choice every year by the hand of their very own mothers and fathers.  A womans body is no longer just her own once she has conceived a child, and more thought should be given to the life and potential of that child.  Our children are not yesterdays garbage to be incenerated with the rest of our trash, and more than money should be considered when the life of a child is involved.  Pick one of your children....now put a price on his or her head...how much are they worth to you in US dollars?  My tax dollars go for far more ridicualous things than helping to support a child. 

angelkaty....I have been trying to figure out for years why someone like Scott Peterson is sitting on death row for the murders of two people....his wife and UNBORN child, a child that our federal goverment would not normally even consider human because it hasn't been born.  Oh wait, I think I figured it out....only WANTED children are actually children. 

MAMADAWN says ...

What about the baby's RIGHT to live.  The baby didn't CHOOSE to be conceived???  The mother did choose to have sex though????

wHAT ABOUT INCEST??? DID THAT CHILD OR YOUNG WOMEN choose TO HAVE SEX???

JUDLEERN says ...

MAMADAWN says ...

What about the baby's RIGHT to live.  The baby didn't CHOOSE to be conceived???  The mother did choose to have sex though????

wHAT ABOUT INCEST??? DID THAT CHILD OR YOUNG WOMEN choose TO HAVE SEX???

This is a very common pro "choice" argument.  No, a survivor of incest never chooses to be a survivor (I use the word survivor because I am a survivor of incest and I refuse to be called a victim)   Less than 1% off all abortions performed in our country each year are for rape or incest.  Lets just say for the sake of argument, however that it is 1% per year.  There are 1.37 million abortions performed a year in the US.  1% of those, or 13,700 are performed for cases of rape or incest, and that number is skewed because statistically it is LESS THAN 1%, and also because this is a reason given for abortion that may not actually be accurate, meaning it is often used as an excuse.  That being said, even in cases of rape and incest, the child is still an innocent product.  Granted, a product of a very violent and hateful act, but why should this child have to lose it's life for an act it did not commit?  The question then arises, why should a woman have to carry said child to term?  In a perfect world, she wouldn't because these things would never happen, but ours is not a perfect world.  No human has been granted the power to make decisions about who lives or dies without their being severe consequnces, abortion is no different. It is true what emtpixie stated, there is a higher power that makes those decisions and who will judg those who have been making them on His behalf. 

 I don't believe it should be a woman's right to kill her baby. It should be no one's right or choice to kill. 

Abortion is such a touchy subject.  But I look at it like this...I, personally, would not choose abortion. However, I do firmly believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body.  If we take away a woman's right to choose, we are essentially denying her the rights she is guaranteed in the constitution.  Also, if we take away that right, we are only forcing women to resort to less hygenic and less desirable measure such as what my grandmother referred to as "Back alley abortions" In the earlier decades, women went to unlicensed, unprofessional, unsanitary people and places to recieve an abortion, which were often done by coathanger, drugs, etc. These women often became infected and were infertile or worse, dead.  I do not think that as a nation in such advanced times we should be forcing women to resort to such said methods..If you do not believe in abortion, that is your right and opinion. Do not force it on someone else who does not share that same belief with you. After all, you are not responsible for their outcomes.

amandalewis83 says ...

Abortion is such a touchy subject.  But I look at it like this...I, personally, would not choose abortion. However, I do firmly believe in a woman's right to choose what she does with her body.  If we take away a woman's right to choose, we are essentially denying her the rights she is guaranteed in the constitution.  Also, if we take away that right, we are only forcing women to resort to less hygenic and less desirable measure such as what my grandmother referred to as "Back alley abortions" In the earlier decades, women went to unlicensed, unprofessional, unsanitary people and places to recieve an abortion, which were often done by coathanger, drugs, etc. These women often became infected and were infertile or worse, dead.  I do not think that as a nation in such advanced times we should be forcing women to resort to such said methods..If you do not believe in abortion, that is your right and opinion. Do not force it on someone else who does not share that same belief with you. After all, you are not responsible for their outcomes.

I'm sorry...did I miss something in high school government class???  Does our constitution somewhere have a hidden article that I'm unaware of???  The whole "choice" argument is so TIRED!  Give me a break..is that the best you can come up with?  It is such a hypocracy to hear someone say, "I personally wouldn't have an abortion but I think every woman should have the right to choose it."  If you think abortion is a valid "choice",  for you or anyone, then you support it. Period. How many females every year lose their right to "choose"  by the hand of their very own mother? Every human being on the face of this planet is in control of their own bodies.  That being said, a woman's body is no longer JUST HER OWN once there is a child growing inside of it.  Back alley abortions?  Please, if a female is stupid enough and selfish enough to resort to this type of procedure then she must deal with the consequences, which evidently she isn't very good at since not being able to deal got her to the back alley to begin with.  Want to know how many women lose their lives to safe/legal abortions each year in the U.S?  Google The Blackmun Wall.  There you will see hundreds of names of "women" who "chose" not only to end the lives of their children, but also their own.  There is nothing safe about abortion because at least one person is destined to lose their life if this is the "choice" their mother makes.  I would like to know why more women who choose abortion aren't more proud of it?  Why keep such a thing a secret?  Why not post it on your Facebook oy MySpace page?  If it's such an awesome "choice" then why not share your grand experience with everyone????  You don't think that as such an advanced nation women should have to resort to killing their own children in back alleys?  Then maybe they SHOULDN'T!!!  I'm horrified that as such an advanced nation we actually allow a woman to "choose" to tear her child to shreds, burn it alive, and suck it's brains out of it's skull while STILL ALIVE.  What kind of nation are we really???  I DO NOT support abortion, and you're right...that is my right and opinion.  As far as forcing it on someone else, I will scream at the top of my lungs until the day I take my last breath the horrors of murdering a child in the womb.  If not, this ignorance will continue forever.  You can call me whatever you'd like....oppinionated, judgmental....etc....I could care less.  Every person who stands idly by while this form of legal murder continues is responsible...responsible for doing nothing to speak for those who cannot.  Given a "choice", these children would WANT TO LIVE.  Ever notice how the only people to advocate abortion are those who have ALREADY BEEN BORN????  

No it's called a law  Roe VS Wade passed in 1973 which gives the right to choose. 

I've said this before (in another forum, in my other profile):

Here's my objective observation:

"Right to life" people truly believe that the fetus is a human being, with the rights of all humans. Therefore abortion is murder, unjustified homicide, plain and simple. No one has the right to "choose" murder.

"Choice" people do not believe the fetus is human yet, and so does not possess the rights of a human being at that point.

SO, here's my point: You can argue yourselves blue in the face, but you will not sway the other side, unless you can change their minds on whether the fetus is a human being or not! That is the ONLY issue.

In keeping with my habit of not giving my own position, I won't!   If I do that I find the "opposing side" will automatically dismiss what I say.

I learned that in the Nursing Link Presidential Election War of 2008....

The constitution contains a total of 27 amendments.  Only the first 10 of those amendments make up the Bill of Rights.  The Bill of Rights is very specific regarding which rights of the people it is protecting.  For example, freedom of religion and press (amendment 1), the right to bear arms (amendment 2), the right to a speedy trial (amendment 6), no cruel and unusual punishment inflicted (amendment 8)....you get the idea.   Not one of those amendments says a word about "choosing" to kill an unborn child.  Beyond that, I find abortion to be a violation of the 8th amendment.  I would consider having your brains sucked out of your skull while still alive pretty cruel and unusal, wouldn't you? 

Roe v. Wade is an absolute joke.  "Roe" didn't even use her real name when she decided to sue......hmmm I wonder why.  Her real name is Norma McCorvey.  She wanted an abortion in Texas, the state in which she resided, because she stated she was too poor to have a child, and couldn't afford to cross state lines in order to kill her child in another state.  I'm still trying to figure out how this "poor" woman paid her legal fees.  The original finding was NOT that it should be legal for a woman to have an abortion, but that her rights to privacy had been violated.  It wasn't until "Roe" and her team of  attorneys took the suit to the supreme court that this entire "right to choose" argument began.  That aside,simply becasue it's law doesn't mean it's a good law.  There are plenty of ridiculous laws still on the books today that were established hundreds of years ago.  Yes, we could argue this for years and never reach an agreement.  Kudos to all of those awesome nurses who have no problem compromising their moral conscience, however, my moral conscience travels with me everywhere I go, whether it be work, home, school, the store.  It is not something I place upon a shelf and pull down at whim. 

A nurse has a duty to respect patient choices.

BUT as a facility administrator (and attorney) I would never coerce an RN to physically assist in a procedure that she/he considered highly immoral.

As military officers we are taught that any order that you consider clearly immoral MAY be disobeyed. This was a change in policy they began implementing in 1968 following the My Lai (Pinkville) massacre.

If a rigid institution like the Army recognizes the duty of officers to disobey immoral orders, then I believe hospitals should allow nurses to make that decision...

Just my opinion!

dmazment says ...

Regardless of whatever anyone here wishes to say, Roe V Wade was established in 1973.  Bush took away some of those rights and Obama rescinded Bush's actions. 

Whether or not, you agree or disagree, it is a law.  A female has the right to choose to end a pregnancy.  YOU however do not have the right to take this away.  You do not have the right to judge these women.  You can have your opinions, but you do not have the right to force those opinions or choices on another.  We can all argue for years over either side. 

When I became a nurse, I felt I had to do the absolute best for each and every patient I came into contact with.  I have counseled, educated, given care to, listened to, hugged, cried over many patients in the last 30 plus years.  I can say with good conscience I have done all this, without prejudices showing in anyway.  I have disagreed many times with patient choices, but did my best through educationing them so they could   make informed decisions.  As a nurse, I feel I can not do less than my absolute best.  What you do and how you feel about certain issues, while on duty, must remain quiet.   You can not be a patient advocate while forcing another to your beliefs. What you do and how you feel, off duty is personal and should remain off duty.

well articulated, as usual. Thank you!