I too was thrilled to see the new gallup poll showing 51% of Americans as pro-life.  However, this makes me wonder how an individual like Barack Obama, who is so clearly pro abortion, got elected.  I have my own theories as to why he is our current president but that is for another forum.    I am also wondering where those 51% of Americans are in fighting the good fight.  All of us who are pro life must take every opportunity available to educate those individuals who are ignorant or apathetic when it comes to the lives of the unborn.  

I also was extremely disappointed in Notre Dame for inviting Obama to speak and for providing him an honorary degree.  I am from Indiana and live only a short drive from South Bend.  Notre Dame is an Indiana staple, but I have lost respect for those individuals who were responsible for such a decision.   This is not an institution I will ever consider for my children to attend.  I absolutely will not willingly poor money into any organization which I know supports such crimes against the unborn.

I can't imagine Obama gracefully bowing out of anything that he feels he can use for his agenda....his mission of genocide against those who have not even been given the opportunity to take their first breath.  If in fact he did address the issue of abortion during his speech, and I don't know because I refuse to give him any air time,  it was nothing more than self serving and an effort to continue the onslaught of legal murder in this country and worlwide. 

nurseaisha says ...

I can't imagine Obama gracefully bowing out of anything that he feels he can use for his agenda....his mission of genocide against those who have not even been given the opportunity to take their first breath.  If in fact he did address the issue of abortion during his speech, and I don't know because I refuse to give him any air time,  it was nothing more than self serving and an effort to continue the onslaught of legal murder in this country and worlwide. 

Funny that you mention genocide.  It is beyond my comprehension how abortion can not be considered a modern day holocaust. 

I posted this before and never got an answer - I especially want to hear from the "Pro-choice" advocates:

Partial birth abortion... the baby is partially born, part of the body is already out of the mother.

So they kill it. With the justification that "Well, it's really mostly inside the mother, so she should have the choice."

Politicians like Obama have said it should be legal IF the mother's health or life is at risk.

So - here we are all health care professionals (or aspiring to be). Politicians don't know much about medicine or nursing, but WE do...

SO, can ANYONE think of an example where the mother's health could possibly be endangered nby letting the rest of that baby be delivered??? I can't!

I'm a very objective person, and if there was really a situation where the mother might die or be endangered, I would rethink my position - but i cannot think of ANY situation where the mother would face any risk if the birth was allowed to be completed! Can you?

kayty2339 says ...

JUDLEERN says ...

MAMADAWN says ...

What about the baby's RIGHT to live.  The baby didn't CHOOSE to be conceived???  The mother did choose to have sex though????

wHAT ABOUT INCEST??? DID THAT CHILD OR YOUNG WOMEN choose TO HAVE SEX???

People always bring this question up when defending abortion. But in reality it's very rare for this to happen. Yes it does happen, but it's not that common. The majority of people who get abortions are people who chose to do the deed themselves. Thus taking the risk of getting pregnant onto themselves.

yOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION!!!

CaptainEricRN says ...

Of COURSE an incest victim didn't choose to have sex - but that's not the issue...

Everything in the law (and in life) is a balancing test:

Does the emotional / psychological harm an incest victim suffers by bearing the child of the perpetrator outweigh the destruction of the fetus, which (depending on your viewpoint) is an innocent human being (or not)?

And if you really want to know my personal view - I'm really conflicted on this one - I can't imagine what a 13 year old girl would go through bearing the baby of her rapist - but then, I do believe a fetus (at least a late term one) is human.... So...

Well, like I say, I'm conflicted!

WELL, I AM CONFLICTED ABOUT LATE TERM ABORTION... SO WE HAVE THAT IN COMMON. BUT IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST I DO BELIEVE THE WOMEN, CHILD SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT...SO CALL ME PRO-CHOICE I AM TOTALLY OKAY WITH THAT...

margaretellen, you want some info? here is a link for you.......I read the articles, did some research and yes, they have left babies in the utility rooms to just up and die.......the woman's name is Jill Stanek...she is an RN......click or copy and paste the  link and read her story...she has been on the national news............... www.jillstanek.com  

I guess I was being facetious. I would really love to hear from a nurse that has assisted with these procedures.

I want to hear how long they can keep this position. I want to know what it feels like to hold a baby that "could have been viable".

Still will anyone be brave enough that have assisted in abortions tell me what it feels like. I truly am curious about this.

I am from Kansas, the famed Dr. Diller (aka killer diller) did the very late, late , late term abortions with Kathleen Sebelius blessings.

I really hate to see this started again.

I really want someone that has helped with these or has had late term abortions tell me their feelings on this.

By the way  I am a nurse practitioner psychotherapist-so getting in touch with feelings is part of my business.

NO, Deal!

I think this is controversial subject matter for ANOTHER forum.

loricatus says ...

Labster says ...

Ladies and gentleman, I agree with preserving life - no argument here, but this thought process does not follow through after the child is born or address how we ignore human life as a habit.

We kill people on death row that are innocent.  I can meet you half-way if you find this equally deplorable. I'll trade the reversal of Roe v. Wade for a reversal of the death penalty in a heartbeat.

Deal?

I really believe that the term pro-life relates to ALL life, born or unborn.  Therefore, at least for me, imposing the death penalty on anyone is murder, also.  I prefer to leave it to God to decide who lives or dies, not one of His creatures. 

I take the commandment of 'thou shalt not kill' literally.  The only exceptions I can think of would be in a 'just' war (eg WWII-Hitler/Nazis) or in self defense.

WATCH THE NATIONAL NEWS OF THE MONSTER THAT JUST WAS ARRESTED FOR KILLING HIS BEAUTIFUL TWO BOYS, 9 AND 11, AND WIFE, BY STRANGLING THEM TO DEATH...PLEASE, I USED TO BE A "BLEEDING HEART", NOT ANYMORE!!! GOD GAVE US A JUDICIAL SYSTEM FOR A REASON, IT IS BIBLICAL THAT YOU ARE TO 'FOLLOW THE LAW'. I HATE ALL EVIL, AND THIS PERSON IS JUST EVIL...I HOPE HE IS TORTURED LIKE HIS POOR LITTLE BOYS, THE TERROR THEY FELT WHILE, " DADDY" CHOKED THEM TO DEATH...I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS MONSTER... WE ARE HUMAN, AND I CAN'T OVERLOOK THIS SICKENING PERSON...i HOPE HE GETS THE DEATH PENALTY,(IF HE IS GUILTY, WHICH I AM SURE HE IS), AND THEN HE IS TORTURED IN PRISON TIL HIS LAST BREATH...YOU CAN WANT TO SPARE HIS LIFE ALL YOU WANT, NOT ME....I WILL SPARE IT LONG ENOUGH FOR HIM TO BE TOURTURED BY THE CONS IN PRISON, EVEN THEY HATE A CHILD KILLER!!!

Labster says ...

I guess this may be the disconnect for some people. There are just too many people being found innocent on death row by DNA testing. To me, one innocent person is too many.

So, if across the board thinking on the issue of life makes me a bleeding heart, you just seperated yourself from someone who also thinks abortion is wrong. I'll ignore the advocation of torture because I think this topic got you fired up.

We can, at least, shake hands on one issue, right?

YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE INNOCENT, I THINK THAT IS HORRIBLE, HOWEVER, YOU CAN IGNORE MY COMMENT, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE MY MIND ABOUT WHAT I SAID, SOMEONE SHOULD TORTURE THE MONSTER THAT TORTURED THESE POOR LITTLE CHILDREN...LIKE I SAID, I USED TO BE A "BLEEDING HEART", BUT NOT ANY LONGER. I AM SICK OF THESE "DEMONS" KILLING OUT LITTLE CHILDREN..IF YOU WANT TO LET HIM SLEEP GOOD AT NIGHT, IN THE "VERY RARE" INSTANT,THAT HE IS INNOCENT, THAT IS YOUR RIGHT...oH AND WHAT IF DNA PROVES HE DID IT, DO YOU STILL WANT TO LET HIM KICK BACK AND RELAX IN PRISON? I WANT HIM TO BE AFFRAID TO SHUT HIS EYE'S, AND I DO THINK SOMEONE WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS SCUM FOR US ALL...OF COURSE, I WOULD NOT WANT ANYONE INNOCENT TO BE TORTURED OR TAKE PART IN THIS, BUT IF IT WERE ONE OF MY OWN, HOLD ME BACK IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY...

AND ONE TOO MANY "GUILTY" PEOPLE, OF THESE BARBARIC CRIME'S SITTING IN PRISON, ON MY DIME, IS TOO MANY!!! I SAY BE DONE WITH THEM...

loricatus says ...

Labster says ...

I guess this may be the disconnect for some people. There are just too many people being found innocent on death row by DNA testing. To me, one innocent person is too many.

I totally agree with you on this one. 

Life in prison isn't exactly a picnic and for many on the inside, does constitute torture.  Wonder if Charlie Manson gets his hopes up every time he goes before the parole board?

As I mentioned before, I like to try to leave the judgement issue to the Big Guy upstairs.  Now, if someone did something to my kid, I probably would go temporarily insane, be accused of being a hypocrite and be spending the rest of my life in prison.

dON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY OTHER THAN IF IT WAS YOUR KID, I BET YOU WOULD BE CALLED A HYPOCRITE...

WELL, ENOUGH ON THAT.

What an interesting twist. I happened to be able to walk up the 13 steps before the hanging platform in Kansas was torn down. The last people hung there were the 2 men that killed the Clutter family and thus the book "In Cold Blood". We were told the men that pulled the hatch wore a black mask, received 500 dollars and identity was never revealed to the public. So in keeping with my original request on how nurses handle the late term abortions, I had decided many that nurses were fearful of being identified. So if anyone knows of a nurse, or heard of one , I am still interested in knowing how they felt holding a late term aborted baby and if turn over is high for those nurses.I am also wondering how many babies are still breathing and how many babies are put in utility rooms or actually die after delivery.I happen to counsel many clients that do have long term effects of having abortions. I also see clients that would do an abortion again but I have never had a client that talks about this like they just had a car accident.

I am so curious on how nurses handle this.

I have had years of experience dealing with all situations. I have worked ER, hospital superviser, psychiatric hospital for children, and now in private practice.  I don't need to know how clients handle this, I am curious how nurses do. I am not even thinking about early abortions, I am talking about late term and to me that is definitely after 3 months.

For my own experience, even helping with miscarriages and early deliveries that resulted in death, my heart ached seeing that little baby.

By the way, I think many nurses believe these abortions are for incest or rape, but that is one percent. So I will go back to the 99 percent of late term abortions that nurses assist in....do nurses get haunted after words with remorse or does one just block this out of their mind.

nurseaisha says ...

Margaretellen, seems as though you don't have any takers.  I've wondered for a long time why those individuals who condone/support/participate in/think it's ok to have an abortion, don't share their many "wonderful" pro choice experiences with the rest of the world.  Hmmmmmm

I'm not the person you are looking for, but the information you are seeking is not hard to find or lacking in reason (unless, of course, you don't agree with their opinion.) The crux of pro-choice is personal decision and it is an unlikely people who share this view would bring their personal decision to a public forum for your approval.

Don't shoot the messenger, but they are currently not breaking the law. Is there a better way to make your point without the superior tone? It's hardly a uniting gesture for a cause that needs more support to be successful.

You're right, you're not the person Margaretellen was looking for.  And I disagree whole heartedly with you.  The pro choice argument is most definitely lacking in reason.  Since when did the life of a child become someones "personal decision".  My point was and is this:  if this "personal decision" is so wonderful, and in fact, lawful, then why not share your experiences?  Especially with those of us who cannot fathom making such a "personal choice".  That being said, just because something is legal, that does not make it a good "choice".  They are not currently breaking man's law, but God has another agenda for these individuals. Quite frankly, I'm not trying to be uniting, and if you perceived a superior tone, well then, that's your perception.  The bottom line is that abortion is legal murder, plain and simple.  It is the STOPPING of a beating heart, the ending of a life.  This is not something I take lightly.  I am very passionate in my conviction, and like the pro choice individuals you seem to defend, I do not need, nor am I searching for approval.