I have been more concerned about Hitler since watching the Irena Sendler story. We are indeed in some frightening times.

Someone just posted  that she/he is tired of abused children, as if to say, abortion stops abuse. the children I have worked with that had been abused, did not have parents that would have chosen abortion. That is a fallacy, to t hink abortion stops abuse.We cannot force potential bad parents from having children. WE cannot predict who will abuse children.I worked in a child psych hospital and had also been a foster  parent.  I have had physicians abuse children, I have taken care of ministers children that have been abused, I have taken care of nurses children that have been abused. I have taken care of drug addicts that have actually been good parents.

This person that says the person on the operating table is her patient , well to those nurses, it must be like taking a gallbladder out.  I could take a gallbladder to the lab, I could carry a baby that was stillborn or an early miscarriage to the lab, but I just could not do this for an abortion. I cannot understand anyone that can but I would guess they disassociate from the situation.

My nephews 2 year old is waiting for a  heart transplant in St. Louis. A child must die before he will get a heart, but today he is back on a ventilator.  I will feel so bad for the donor's family. I feel bad for my nephew and even wonder if it is worth trying to save this child knowing what he will have to go through if he gets a heart.  My mom has had every test available to see if she can be helped. At the rate we are going in this nation, my nephew will not be able to get a heart, my mom will be considered too old to spend money on. What is my point, ?More and more we do not value life . This nation has decided it is ok, to abort infants, and recently congress has been talking a bout an age limit on when one should not get medical care. (80 years old).

I have digressed again. Women are not being informed about the potential consequences they will face. Now these are the people I currently encounter . Grief over the date their baby would have been born, shock over what their baby's development was at the time of aboriton, Anger because they felt forced by parents or spouses to have the abortion.

You care about your patients, then just try to spend time before the abortion and tell these moms about some of these issues.

Some one will stop you.

Yet not being informed about basic surgerys, could get you in court. Somethings just don't 'make sense.

Margaretellen, I most certainly sympathize with you current situation.  My heart goes out to your nephews family.  I cannot imagine for even a moment having to face the possibility that I may lose one of my children.  How frustrating this must be for a parent to have no power when it comes to the health and life of their child.  When I think of all the millions of children who are discarded yearly, it seems like an enourmous slap in the face to those parents who have lost children in death due to accidents and health related issues.  It is an even greater disrespect for the woman who so desperately wants to have a child of her own but cannot conceive or carry to term.

What do I do. Well, I have been a foster parent for over 20 years, I helped found Parents Anonymous and held meetings once a week for free for 9 years. I am currently a CASA member. I support big brothers/big sisters. I have given numerous talks to schools and several organizations. I see children  and parents without insurance probono.I still have 2 foster children that are over 18, that I have continued to care for--that is on my own.I can send proof of all this. I also sponsor a child for world vision.

I proposed a bill that Kansas Board of Nursing passed that reeducated nurses on their responsibility in mandated reporting.

I also turned in our local SRS, because of a foster child that was sent back to an abusive home, which led the ACLU (not that I am support of them now) . They investigated our SRS and made them cross their t's and dot their Is for years. It also led to an outside source

taking abuse calls because they were not being followed in our community.

My daughter has her doctorates in Social Work because or my husband and I taking in foster children and being involved in our community.

I also helped start a drug awareness program in our highschools before the DARE program was initated.

Last summer, I had a wonderful program of children writing about their abuse on tshirts hanging on clotheslines to some window fronts

in our downtown area.

I certainly feel like I walk the walk and I am not through. Thanks for asking.

JUDLEERN says ...

Abortion will not stop just because it is illegal...lets just keep that in mind...Education is the ANSWER to the problem... And, as far as blaming Obama, that is a  simple minded answer, after all how did he become President, I ask???  Now...I have a question...What do you do in your community to change the statistics???

 

Thank you (I think)!  Preaching to the choir is easy. Teaching to the unimpressed is a daily challenge that takes patience, love and commitment. It's frustrating at times too.

Sadly, you're right about abortion taking place regardless of what the laws are. The venue changes, that's all. The numbers will go down and that is all I can realistically hope for.

Margaretellen says ...

What do I do. Well, I have been a foster parent for over 20 years, I helped found Parents Anonymous and held meetings once a week for free for 9 years. I am currently a CASA member. I support big brothers/big sisters. I have given numerous talks to schools and several organizations. I see children  and parents without insurance probono.I still have 2 foster children that are over 18, that I have continued to care for--that is on my own.I can send proof of all this. I also sponsor a child for world vision.

I proposed a bill that Kansas Board of Nursing passed that reeducated nurses on their responsibility in mandated reporting.

I also turned in our local SRS, because of a foster child that was sent back to an abusive home, which led the ACLU (not that I am support of them now) . They investigated our SRS and made them cross their t's and dot their Is for years. It also led to an outside source

taking abuse calls because they were not being followed in our community.

My daughter has her doctorates in Social Work because or my husband and I taking in foster children and being involved in our community.

I also helped start a drug awareness program in our highschools before the DARE program was initated.

Last summer, I had a wonderful program of children writing about their abuse on tshirts hanging on clotheslines to some window fronts

in our downtown area.

I certainly feel like I walk the walk and I am not through. Thanks for asking.

EXELLENT, YOU ARE THE EXAMPLE I AM LOOKING FOR....GREAT TO HEAR AND GOD BLESS YOU, KEEP IT UP. YOU HAVE BEEN AN EXELLENT EXAMPLE TO YOUR DAUGHTER AND NOW SHE IS PASSING IT ON...THIS IS TRUE AND LASTING CHANGE FOR GENERATIONS TO COME. THIS IS MY POINT, EDUCATION IS THE ANSWER. SCREAMING ABOUT THIS IS "not "THE ANWER, AND SCARE TACTICS DO NOT WORK...NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL...

I PERSONALLY DO NOT NEED PROOF OF ANYTHING, YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU REALLY DO ALL THIS AND THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS..BUT IF SOMEONE WANTS PROOF, I AM SURE THEY WILL LET YOU KNOW..(P.S I AM NOT YELLING BECAUSE I TYPE IN CAPS, SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY, AND NO I DON'T CARE IF THAT IS WHAT OTHERS THINK, I CAN SEE IT BETTER)..

 JUST FOR THE RECORD, I AM PRO-CHOICE...I BELIEVE A WOMAN SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE IN THE CASE OF RAPE OR INCEST...I DO not BELIEVE THAT THIS IS AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN, LIKE SOME HAVE SUGGESTED, THAT IS JUST NOT BIBLICAL, PERIOD...THERE ARE A FEW ON HERE THAT ARE SO "BILIGERENT" THAT THEY HAVE NO CHANCE OF CHANGING ANYTHING, NO ONE WILL LISTEN TO THEM AND THAT IS SAD, BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY FEEL PASSIONATE ABOUT THE ISSUE...AND WANT CHANGE...

 

There are 1.3 million people per year waiting to adopt newborns.  (This information is per the council on adoption)  How ironic that this is almost the exact same number of babies who are murdered evey year by their mothers.

If pro life individuals choose to adopt all of these "unwanted" children, will you tell females to stop aborting?  If a woman is going to kill her already born children, must we adopt all of them as well to keep her from killing them?  Beyond that, would you apply those same standards to anyone else who tries to fight social evils?  In the 1800's, would you have said that no one has the right to oppose slavery unless they were prepared to compensate the slave owner for lost income when their slaves were freed?  Or would you have told them that if they oppose such a thing then they should volunteer their own time and work for free for the slave owner?  Also, pro life individuals already do the things you are asking.  There are crisis pregnancy centers all over the country.  These centers provide everything from diapers, to formula, to homes for unwed mothers who have been abandoned by their boyfriends or other family members.  Unfortunately, there are no good statistics available regarding this since all of these services are FREE OF CHARGE.  The crisis pregnancy centers are staffed soley by volunteers who take no compensation for their time and energy.  I wonder, if abortionists  and pro choice supporters are so concerned about helping women, why don't they provide their services for free??  And for the record, providing services at no cost to the patient because you are being paid by the goverment does not count.

Regarding the lagalities...I beleive someone previously mentioned that women would continue to get abortions whether they were legal or not.  This may very well be true.  In 1972, before abortions were legal, 39 women died due to complications of an abortion, a tragedy indeed.  Even with legal abortion, women are still injured and die due to complications.  Statistically speaking, the numbers have not changed much since abortion became legal.  What has changed are the medical techniques involved. Making it legal does not make it fool proof.  There is no logic in the argument that something should be made legal to make it more safe.  Should we make burglary legal because some burglars might be injured while robbing a home a store?  Of course not...there is no logic in that.  A rational society does not make laws for the convenience of law breakers. 

margaretellen, I didnt say you did judge anyone...I am not judging anyone and I commend those that have chosen to get their RN and go forward......I do sympathise and wish the best for your nephew.....as far as my bringing up obama....I was simply stating that he certainly didnt help matters......and I was voicing my opinion....as far as what I have been thru, I am a single mom that has several kids myself....one of which I did take custody of because his mom was nothing but a loser druggie and been in and out of jail for this and that, as well as an alcoholic....have had him in my custody for the past 5 yrs.......I work 12-15 hour shifts every day I work......I do my part when I am not working and I dont judge anyone...I have only tried to help those that cant help themselves with the little bit I do have...and trust me, living on an LPNs salary isnt much....I have alot going on in my own life.....for instance....I was written up because a psychologist asked me if I had given a client of mine a wygesic tablet....I told her no, not yet and that it would be about 5 mins before I could because I was literally bent over checking a residual of one of my other ladies......took her 2 days to write a memo on me, she then passed it on to her supers, and my supers, then turned around and got investigations involved, as well as the facility attorney.......said to another nurse that I was being mean to her.......when I was polite to her as much as possible...and what fueled her fire was when I was asking questions on what could be done for the lady that I was going to give the wygesic to for her self injurous behavior has gotten out of control.......she literally bangs her head on the floor...has sustained multiple head injuries because of it, and yet psychology wont prescribe her any psych meds.......*sighs*.....and I was told by my supervisor that she is a dr........so? is what I told my super.......she is part of the team to help take care of the individual that I was talking about and sure seems to me that they are in dire neglect but they wanted to hold me neglectful cause I didnt immediately get that lady a wygesic but did 5 mins later......any comments on this? no, am not leaving anything out......this is exactly what happened......so I will apologize if I was sounding as if I was being judgemental to you margaretellen, but I wasnt......I do not get online at all hours for I simply dont have the time either, but I do try to get online for a short bit to try to check messages and write emails back 

Margaretellen - i am so very sorry - that is so tragic and hard to deal with. I am praying.

I am so sorry to hear of this tragedy.  I hope that all of you can find strength during this time and beyond.

So sad, so sad..God Bless you, your nephew and family... Just not fair....I can't imagine the grief...

thanks for the well wishes

Elijah died at 1230 today, he put up  agreat fight.

I am so sorry for your loss, can't imagine the grief. God Bless you all.

I am from Kansas and Dr. Diller who was referred to as Killer Diller was killed today at his church. I am not for kiling that but he actually did

abortions, even in the 8th month. He also was accused of doing those on children who had been sexually abused, but never reported

the abuse.  he was a close friend of Kathleen Sebelius.

"Prosecutors had alleged that Tiller had gotten second opinions from a doctor who was essentially an employee of his, not independent as state law requires, but a jury in March acquitted him of all 19 misdemeanor counts against him.

Abortion opponents also questioned then-Gov. Kathleen Sebelius' ties to Tiller before the Senate confirmed her this year as U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary. Tiller donated thousands of dollars to Sebelius over the years."

I am not one to download pictures but I will try to do one on Elijah, that my husband who is a photographer, did a painted picture. when he was an infant. He does indeed look like a Cherub

Thanks for all the wll wishes.

Labster says ...

http://www.kwch.com/global/story.asp?s=10451609&iref=werecommend

Story about Dr. Diller's murder.

Another set-back in the cause, I'm afraid.

May God have mercy him and his gunman.

His name is Dr. George Tiller and in answer to mmullican's question, I think they accepted him for his beliefs and did not judge him for them.  Unlike quite a few I can say about here.