Ok,  the adoption system in this country is seriously flawed.  This is why so many individuals adopt foreign children, because it is easier, quicker, and less expensive.  The most recent year stats are avaialable is for 2006.  That year, there were 510,000 children in foster care.  It's a myth that the majortiy of children in foster care are black or other minorities.  In 2006, over 200,000 children in foster care were white/non hispanic.  Almost 300,00 children exited the foster care system that year.  Meaning, they were either reunited with their families, placed for permanent adoption, or emancipated.  As of septemper 2006, there were 129,000 children waiting to be adopted.  We are not talking about new borns here.  Many of these children are close to the age of adulthood.  Many of these chldren also were runaways, or had been in trouble with the law.  When we are discussing abortion, we are talking about NEWBORN babies.  There are currenlty 1.3 million people/couples waiting to adopt NEWBORN babies in this country.  Incidentally, approximately 1.3 million children are aborted every year in this country.  Coincidence?  I don't claim to have all the answers to the problem, I'm not sure anyone does.  What I do know, however, is that making the murder of children in utero legal is NOT the answer.  I futher beleive that if, as a nation, we begin to make the appropriate changes and take the sanctity of life more seriously, the answers may appear to us, or be given to us.   

nurseaisha says ...

Ok,  the adoption system in this country is seriously flawed.  This is why so many individuals adopt foreign children, because it is easier, quicker, and less expensive.  The most recent year stats are avaialable is for 2006.  That year, there were 510,000 children in foster care.  It's a myth that the majortiy of children in foster care are black or other minorities.  In 2006, over 200,000 children in foster care were white/non hispanic.  Almost 300,00 children exited the foster care system that year.  Meaning, they were either reunited with their families, placed for permanent adoption, or emancipated.  As of septemper 2006, there were 129,000 children waiting to be adopted.  We are not talking about new borns here.  Many of these children are close to the age of adulthood.  Many of these chldren also were runaways, or had been in trouble with the law.  When we are discussing abortion, we are talking about NEWBORN babies.  There are currenlty 1.3 million people/couples waiting to adopt NEWBORN babies in this country.  Incidentally, approximately 1.3 million children are aborted every year in this country.  Coincidence?  I don't claim to have all the answers to the problem, I'm not sure anyone does.  What I do know, however, is that making the murder of children in utero legal is NOT the answer.  I futher beleive that if, as a nation, we begin to make the appropriate changes and take the sanctity of life more seriously, the answers may appear to us, or be given to us.   

Based on current AFCARS estimates released January 2000, there are approximately 520,000 children currently in foster care in the United States. Of these, 117,000 are eligible for adoption. (US HHS, 2000)

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  Race/Ethnicity - Approximately 64% of children waiting in foster care are of minority background; 32% are White. 51% of all foster children waiting for adoption are Black, 11% are Hispanic, 1% are American Indian, 1% are Asian/Pacific Islander, and 5% are unknown/unable to determine. African Americans are about 13% of the population. As for the rest of your claims, they are hard to believe when you are this far off on the first one.

Labster says ...

nurseaisha says ...

Ok,  the adoption system in this country is seriously flawed.  This is why so many individuals adopt foreign children, because it is easier, quicker, and less expensive.  The most recent year stats are avaialable is for 2006.  That year, there were 510,000 children in foster care.  It's a myth that the majortiy of children in foster care are black or other minorities.  In 2006, over 200,000 children in foster care were white/non hispanic.  Almost 300,00 children exited the foster care system that year.  Meaning, they were either reunited with their families, placed for permanent adoption, or emancipated.  As of septemper 2006, there were 129,000 children waiting to be adopted.  We are not talking about new borns here.  Many of these children are close to the age of adulthood.  Many of these chldren also were runaways, or had been in trouble with the law.  When we are discussing abortion, we are talking about NEWBORN babies.  There are currenlty 1.3 million people/couples waiting to adopt NEWBORN babies in this country.  Incidentally, approximately 1.3 million children are aborted every year in this country.  Coincidence?  I don't claim to have all the answers to the problem, I'm not sure anyone does.  What I do know, however, is that making the murder of children in utero legal is NOT the answer.  I futher beleive that if, as a nation, we begin to make the appropriate changes and take the sanctity of life more seriously, the answers may appear to us, or be given to us.   

Based on current AFCARS estimates released January 2000, there are approximately 520,000 children currently in foster care in the United States. Of these, 117,000 are eligible for adoption. (US HHS, 2000)

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  Race/Ethnicity - Approximately 64% of children waiting in foster care are of minority background; 32% are White. 51% of all foster children waiting for adoption are Black, 11% are Hispanic, 1% are American Indian, 1% are Asian/Pacific Islander, and 5% are unknown/unable to determine. African Americans are about 13% of the population. As for the rest of your claims, they are hard to believe when you are this far off on the first one.

I beleive your stats state they are from 2000.  MIne are from 2006.  I would consider 2006 stats to be far more current than 2000 stats.

You've got to be kidding me.....that has to be the most ridiculous "explanation" supporting abortion that I have EVER heard.  It actually doesn't even justify any kind of rational response.

I'm sorry, since when is it rude to say I'll pray for you.  Because I really meant it, and I did pray for her. 

Sorry, I'm one of the Christians that are in agreement with RNprogressive, I do not believe that the an unborn fetus has a soul.   Are abortions, overused yes.   But again, abortions have been around for THOUSANDS OF YEARS.  They were here when the Holy Bible was written, yet abortion is never mentioned in the Bible.   

Has anyone been a foster parent? I did for 20 years. I have had children from older parents, and from younger parents Married parents. I can only recall a few from single moms.  It seems like some assume abortion stops abuse. the children I see that have been abused would not have been aborted by their parents. Some of these children belonged to ministers and doctors and nurses.                                   these are 2 different issues. I hope that there will never be a time when there is a law that mandates a potential abuser because of their age or race, and forces them to have an abortion.                                                                                                                                                           How about this for a law, anyone currently on medicaid, needs to be on birth control and if they get pregnant, force them into adopting their baby out. Now that sounds like the perfect plan and once when I had to give a controversial speech, the class thought I was the most horrible person for suggesting that.                                                                                                                                                                                          The patients that I have had that had abortions are white, middle class and did not have any life threatening illnesses. the most threats they seem to have were from their spouse or parents.

Now on the same note, my moms doctor tried to tell me when we would take my mom off medications. Her dementia has worsened.

He said if she gets a UTI or pneumonia. Well, I will not allow that. I will not do cpr now, but I think treating infection is not extraordinary measures. I just never want to be in a position that allows anyone  to die. Death needs to be natural. Yet when my mother in law had a massive brain stem stroke, we had her on morphine just so she would not be aware that she was totally paralyzed.

yes each situation is different---I would not want any nurse that could work in an abortion clinic all day taking care of my mother or me.

Ok I will not debate the abortion issue. I believe life does start at conception.

But about my mother, pneumonia and utis maybe be natural illnesses, but we should never decide on our own quality of life. We treat what we can-there is a time, when someone is bedfast, in fetal position, and not aware of anything.

My mom can name all the capitols, knows the date, knows who all of her children are. She has dementia. If we decided that utis and pneumonia are natural causes then we should stop treating all kinds of people, mentally retarded, people in prisons, etc.

A wise doctor told me once to never decide who to treat by how we perceive the quality of life. Our oath is to do no harm

UTI's and pneumonia are painful ways to die.  Incidentally, each person we care for does more for our economy than what they might cost in medicare , medicaid...Just think about all the people that have jobs because of elderly. Pharmacies, nurses, aides, diet, speech therapist, occupational therapist, laundry . diapers ---well we could go on forever.

But no I will know when nothing can be done. I have worked a zillion years and this would not be the first person in my family that I have had to deal with as regards to end of life decisions.

 So sorry I misspelled capital. I should know better I attended Catholic schools. Misspelling annoys me too.

Why should you be ashamed of what anyone thinks of life. It is not a reflection on you. I am ashamed of

many nurses that are cold and heartless or scream at patients.  

But yes scientifically, I usually think of parasites as leeches.  So calling even an embryo a parasite just hit me the wrong way.

Parasite---could also then mean anyone that nurses a baby. When do children stop being parasites?

Since I leave out many details, I do not need advice on my mom. My point of saying she still knew capitals

and dates is that she is still alert. She has dementia, different than last stage alzheimers. I will not stop treating ordinary illnesses with ordinary medicines for her. She still swallows, talks and gets up.

It is the doctor that suggested we stop treating medical illnesses now.  He also was a friend of Dr. Tiller.

Need I say more?

Katy: RE ectopic pregnancy

There have been several documented cases where a woman was delivered via C-section with an ectopic pregnancy.    The odds are millions and millions to one, but yes it has happened.  They recently featured a woman on the discovery channel that had a live baby delivered around 28 weeks. 

By pro-life standpoints, NO abortions would equal many dead women, if a tubal pregnancy could not be aborted....I personally would not want to risk my life in a millions to one odds and would choice to abort.

CaptainEricRN says ...

God grief. I won't even give you my opinion on abortion - just my opinion on this discussion

If anyone criticizes SPELLING in this discussion, that's pretty low!

I'm an attorney, and can outspell just about anyone here! But I make a lot of typos, and if you see me write "capitol" instead of "capital" I hope that would not invalidate my opinion, or make me a lesser person. If someone misspelled every other word, that's one thing, but one error?

And even if I spelled incorrectly because of a lack of knowledge - SO WHAT? Everyone is entitled to their opinion, so if someone believes life begins at conception, how about just respecting their right to that opinion, and politely disagree?

 

And this, my dear friend, is why YOU are "THE CAPTAIN"!  You Rock!

Is anyone from Kansas.? I am. Tiller should not be considered a hero by any sense of the word. Yes we have the death penalty that was abolished for several years. We were one of the last states that used to hang people.  I do not think he should have been murdered, I just wish he could have been stopped legally for killing babies. Babies that were viable. How awful is that?

He was investigated by the attorney general for not reporting child abuse. He did such late term abortions, the baby could have walked out of the womb.

I know patients that had late term abortions for no medical or psychological reasons. This site proves what Tillers philosophy was.

It is easy for many people to deny the reasons abortions are performed, but can anyone prove they are only done for severe threat to the moms life? Maybe that is true in some places, but not in Kansas and not in Illinois.

tiller.com/elective.htm">http://www.dr-tiller.com/elective.htm

I am not sure who you are writing to about not giving an opinion on Tiller's killer. I wrote I was not for him being murdered. But I need enlightened, what kind of false information do clients get at abortion clinics by pro lifers?

I was addressing kayty2339 on the Tiller issue.  Here is info on the Crisis Pregnancy Centers:also called Pregnancy resource centers.

Waxman, Henry (July 2006). ""False and Misleading Health Information Provided by Federally Funded Pregnancy Resource". United States Government (United States Government

In the congressional record from an investigation in 2006 cited above

The individuals who contact federally funded pregnancy resource centers are often vulnerable teenagers, who are susceptible to being misled and need medically accurate information to help them make a fully informed decision. The vast majority of pregnancy resource centers contacted for this report, however, provided false or misleading information about the health risks of an abortion. This may advance the mission of the pregnancy resource centers, which are typically pro-life organizations dedicated to preventing abortion, but it is an inappropriate public health practice

A bill was introduced in 2006 which did not get out of committee , Republican controlled congress)to prevent the deceptive tactics of these largely volunteered staffed non-medically staffed centers.  HR 2478  On March 30, 2006, Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) introduced a bill called the "Stop Deceptive Advertising for Women's Services Act", which aims to hold crisis pregnancy centers up to truth in advertising standards

Once they get women inside their doors, CPCs often force women to watch graphic, misleading videos; pressure women with religious sermons; and provide medically inaccurate information about a false link between abortion and an increased risk of breast cancer, the effects of abortion on future fertility, and the mental health effects of abortion. Some CPCs further mislead women by giving them false pregnancy test results so that they will postpone obtaining abortion care. Others have been known to give women ultrasounds depicting gestational ages more advanced than their actual pregnancies in order to make them think that they are too far along to access abortion services. In some cases CPCs even promise to provide financial assistance to women if they carry their pregnancies to term, but this assistance usually doesn't last once a woman's pregnancy has advanced past the legal termination limit in her state. Even after women leave CPCs, they sometimes continue to be mistreated. In a clear violation of patient confidentiality, many CPCs call women and harass them about their decision to obtain abortion care for weeks after they visit the center. Cited from Reproductive Health Reality Check website.

Not comical tragic.  Facts are facts I doubt I could find a anti-abortion site that would support their own false claims..  I thought the congressional record of an investigation was neutral enough for you.  It did not get out of committee becuase it was A Republican CONTROLLED Congress and the spineless GOP are too fearful of the right-eous in the red states to vote on this.  I got it --you want to offer the alternative to abortion, fine-- do not list yourself under abortion in the phone book, do not appear to be medical providers when you are not, do not provide false information such as abortion leads to breast cancer, 100 risks associated with abortions ( actually child birth has more risk), etc.  Represent these centers as anti-abortion faith based centers to support adoption and abstinence only.  If you believe it -be proud of it, the truth will set you free.

I am going to tell you patients do not get enough information on the after effects on their mental health. These are the people I see, even years later. the ones that come to me have severe grief, self guilt (not that anyone else imposed on them), and were surprised that they had problems on the day the baby would have been born, plus the day of the abortion.

And believe it or not, many have not ever been able to get pregnant again.

Now since I only see a minute amount compared to all the abortions, but in my practice the percentage is significant. But we can assume this is representative of the large group. So what if just 5 percent of all those that have abortions, have mental issues after, isn't that significant?

I am here to tell you there is not enough information. I am not a protester and have actually never been to an abortion clinic. Well, I could go on and on what isn't being told. However, we are having tornado warnings and I need to turn off these very interesting discussions.