I completely agree cruszka....I have seen it first hand...the government is going to be in control of everything soon.  We hare heading to a bad place I am afraid.

LOL.......................RNUnprofesional.........at least when Bush was president he kept the country safe from more attacks.  NoBama is not respected.   On MSNBC, check out the segments with foreign stocks........they have no faith in investing with our country...its ludicrous.  Unemployment is close to 10%, Nobama worked real hard to try to beat Carters unemployment.  What a couple of losers.  The french have norespect for him, The Germans have no respect for him and the British have no respect for him.  He is too weak to offer any hope to the people in Iran that were protesting and getting beaten and shot video by twitter..........and I saw as many women fighting as men.   What kind of President can watch a dictator have women beaten by their guard?  A weak one.  I hope he gets fired from his job.   I contact my senator and congressmen a couple of times a week at the minimum.  BY the way, you dont want to live south of the mason dixon line? 

I agree with MAMADAWN.  Before I got married, there was no one in my immediate family that worked for the government.  Since then, my husband has opened my eyes toward a few things, health care overseas for one, and "obamination", another.  I didn't really want to get into this topic, but I agree with MAMADAWN that the government will be taking over our lives.  One issue, by one issue, they keep taking a step towards it.  He may THINK he is doing everybody a big favor with the universal healthcare but obviously someone who didn't have a lick of experience in the government in the first place isn't going to get very far with this issue, especially from the working class.   I think he should set the example and do it himself first, pay for his own health care--oh wait a minute, WE'RE doing that.  Silly me!! 

The nurses make close to the doctor's salary in those countries. I have lived and practiced nursing in a country with "socialistic medicine" and it wasn't all that bad. Outdated technology, yes, but then I come to USA back in 1992 and I hear that now they have all the updated equipment too. I will tell you a country that had better medicine that USA and top of the line technology, Kuwait. I don't know if the heathcare professionals will be happy with that income especially in a country with cost of living so high like here. We are already making less than the electricians or A/C repair technicians.......but imagine the government to have to pay you, if it comes to that. Nurses who ever worked for government controlled hospitals know that the benefits are great but not the salary.

We will all have to wait and see.

Tami934,

The government did take over our lives a while back. Nobody make a move here without the government not to know, unless is too petty for them to look into it. There is the illusion of freedom and many of us still like to believe that there is some left somewhere....but ......can you, really, tell your boss what you think of her/him without jeopardizing your job?. The banks control you, credit cards and any government officials can check your credit anytime, even your phone too. Try to deposit more than $10000( without owning a business) and the bank will question you allright. The government can not give us the "freedom" mentioned in the declaration of independence because people will take advantage and get into mischief. This is a country with too many people from all over the world, including a lot of illegals too, and it must be some control in order to have peace and quiet.

i have heard a few times in these posts about people who buy cars, houses, cell phones instead of insurance.  So, in other words, if for various reasons you can't afford insurance, your job doesn't offer it, it is too expensive for you to afford eventhough you are working full time, you shouldn't have a house, a car or a cellphone.  Is that what some are saying?  For instance and sorry to those of you who have heard this from me before)  Blue Cross/ Blue shield quoted me a rate of approx. $3150.00 per month for guaranteed rate coverage.  I have a pre-existing condition.  I have a cellphone = $49.00/ month.  I drive a 1999 Grand Prix= paid for.  Every 6 weeks Clairol=10.00.  I meet my daughter and her new baby for lunch, once or twice a week at Wendy's or McDonald's and I usually pay=10.00/per visit.  Other frivolities, i.e. a mall visit for clothes, say 50.00 a month (I don't shop monthly).  I am in Home Health so I buy gas for car=100.00 per month.  My husband pays the big bills like mortgage, car insurance etc.  My monthly expenditures+ approx. $300.00 per month.  I'll even up that to $500.00 a month because I sometimes will buy my grandkids an outfit or 2 during the month.  If I stopped doing all these things and put that $500.00 to my insurance premium of 3150.00, I'd still be SOL.  I think it's kind of bizarre and a little extreme to say that if you can't afford healthcare, you shouldn't have a house, a cellphone or a TV, don't you?                   

I heard on the news today that the Congressional Budget Office (Democrats, remember?) reported that the proposed Obama plan will NOT result in savings, but in more government expenditures.

CaptainEricRN says ...

I'm stuck in New Jersey to be close to family, but I WISH I could live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, to get away from New Jersey taxes and unbelievably corrupt politicians!

Dude, we'd be happy to have you.......my advice check the politicians in your county and city for tax purposes.  The last 3 or 4  Mayors of Atlanta have been caught imbezzling money and are in jail now., but our taxes are going up, but not as much as yours!  Dang there are fabulous hospitals in Atlanta that are begging for RNs.  There's one in Decatur that did have a $10,000 sign on bonus, and some other ads had "will assist with relocating.  Emory, Crawford Long Location at midtown.............my homeowners taxes jumped up to $3ooo approx.   Sux, but we have nothing to complain about compared to alot of people.   Oh, we'll make you enroll in  country music appreciation classes, hey, you'll love it. 

angienwgeorgia says ...

CaptainEricRN says ...

I'm stuck in New Jersey to be close to family, but I WISH I could live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, to get away from New Jersey taxes and unbelievably corrupt politicians!

Dude, we'd be happy to have you.......my advice check the politicians in your county and city for tax purposes.  The last 3 or 4  Mayors of Atlanta have been caught imbezzling money and are in jail now., but our taxes are going up, but not as much as yours!  Dang there are fabulous hospitals in Atlanta that are begging for RNs.  There's one in Decatur that did have a $10,000 sign on bonus, and some other ads had "will assist with relocating.  Emory, Crawford Long Location at midtown.............my homeowners taxes jumped up to $3ooo approx.   Sux, but we have nothing to complain about compared to alot of people.   Oh, we'll make you enroll in  country music appreciation classes, hey, you'll love it. 

As someone once said -- "Every time I look at Atlanta I see what 300,00 Confederate soldiers died trying to prevent." 

But you'd still find it a refreshing change from New Jersey..

angienwgeorgia says ...

For those of you who have been waiting on the universal healthcare........dont hold your breath.  They even went bipartisan on the President signed a 5 page letter instructing him that they WILL not rush this.  I didnt watch Obamas speech tonight..........big woop, nothing but lies comes out of his mouth.  Last nite one of the white house budget for congress told the country that its not really free, its going to cost approx $8000 per year per adult enrolled.   That $8000 will come off the back of taxpayers, they said they will target those with earnings over $250k, but will trickle down to the middle income tax bracket.  Um..me...........I hope you all are happy............taking from US.............YUP, Im mad as hell about it.  How can you live with yourselves?  Dont you have pride in yourself?  I know its harsh, but for YOU to get what YOU want, your hurting the hardest working class.  Obama has brainwashed America...........well, the ones who have weak brains...........that 'the rich are evil".  Dont yall know that those evil rich people are right now paying your medicaide and ssi?  Yall gonna run down small businesses because they are the next to close down.  The stenth of this country is their wealth.  They get wealth by being business owners and working hard.  Their taxes will be increased up to 55%, no wonder they want to ship their plants to China and India.   These companies, like GE, branch in Atlanta, trying to get deal for tax break or  move to India.  Over 1000 people might be unemployed due to Obamas taxes.  Ok, GE is rich, but they employ and provide fabulous health benefits.  My husbands company will be next........go ahead you laugh, those that dont like me, and I know who you are.   On Monday, he has to announce to the plant that all of the technicians, welders, engineers, everybody in the plant  who are the life and blood of this plant...........has to tell them they are layed off, all of them...for 3  monthes...........skeletal admin crew available who are the only ones not layed off.  They are doing this because of the tax increases were upped 45% with Obamas regs.  Now I dont blame them for going for a country that doesnt require them to support the entire country with welfare at their expense.............well, its at the expense of 2200 men and women who are the employees that will be unemployed on monday.   Add that to the 9.5% unemployed the country is already in, then if GE has to shut down the Atlanta operation down due to Obama taxes, possibly it could top it off at 10%..  You will all get your healthcare which wil not be free, it comes from taxpayers anywhere............my husband and myself, enjoy............I hope your care will be all you fantasized it was.  Is there a rosetta stone for india?  I know there is one for china.  Good thing about my husbands company, its japanese, it will still be a viable business, just not in NW GA after Monday.   There is a possiblity they wont offer him an overseas position as well.  Only God knows. 

Sorry to hear the bad news. But, I am afraid it is just the tip of the iceberg. The cost of $8,000 per adult (which will only increase exponentially) will be borne by tax paying adults. So we end up with another Ponzi Scheme like Social Security. When the tax burden gets too much for the "rich" they will simply leave and take the jobs they create with them. As the song goes -- California here we come. Expect an IOU instead of a tax refund check in the near future.

WBatley214 says ...

angienwgeorgia says ...

CaptainEricRN says ...

I'm stuck in New Jersey to be close to family, but I WISH I could live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, to get away from New Jersey taxes and unbelievably corrupt politicians!

Dude, we'd be happy to have you.......my advice check the politicians in your county and city for tax purposes.  The last 3 or 4  Mayors of Atlanta have been caught imbezzling money and are in jail now., but our taxes are going up, but not as much as yours!  Dang there are fabulous hospitals in Atlanta that are begging for RNs.  There's one in Decatur that did have a $10,000 sign on bonus, and some other ads had "will assist with relocating.  Emory, Crawford Long Location at midtown.............my homeowners taxes jumped up to $3ooo approx.   Sux, but we have nothing to complain about compared to alot of people.   Oh, we'll make you enroll in  country music appreciation classes, hey, you'll love it. 

As someone once said -- "Every time I look at Atlanta I see what 300,00 Confederate soldiers died trying to prevent." 

But you'd still find it a refreshing change from New Jersey..

Well, at least we come from families of farmers who can provide for their family off the land.  Ive been digging with a tiller for a couple of weeks, have no idea if Im doing this stuff right.  I need to call in my farmer relatives for pointers.   Well, my tomatoes and squash arent dead yet but too soon to see if they  will grow anything.  My cousin Phillp is a hunter and has more dead animals taxidemied than anybody should in one home..........looks like the home of Leatherface in Texas Chainsaw massacre.  I was going over to see him to check on a huge cut that had to be sutured after a 'chainsaw incident', and he was really happy...........and I said Phillip how ya doin?,   He said GREAT, just got a gray racoon off of hwy 14 1"..............i said "you didnt shoot it?  he said "why?  the thing was dead but still looked purdy good, after he dries out, im taking him over to bubbas to get stuffed".  About that time he opened his trunk, and that racoon stood up on his hind legs, baring fangs at him and was about to clinch him with his claws.  He closed down the trunk really fast..............and said "damn, now that was one pissed off racoon!"............I love my cousins!   But we're about to be in a depression, maybe we should have less waste.  I heard racoon meat is bad for you.........killer for your triglycerides. 

angienwgeorgia says ...

LOL.......................RNUnprofesional.........at least when Bush was president he kept the country safe from more attacks.  NoBama is not respected.   On MSNBC, check out the segments with foreign stocks........they have no faith in investing with our country...its ludicrous.  Unemployment is close to 10%, Nobama worked real hard to try to beat Carters unemployment.  What a couple of losers.  The french have norespect for him, The Germans have no respect for him and the British have no respect for him.  He is too weak to offer any hope to the people in Iran that were protesting and getting beaten and shot video by twitter..........and I saw as many women fighting as men.   What kind of President can watch a dictator have women beaten by their guard?  A weak one.  I hope he gets fired from his job.   I contact my senator and congressmen a couple of times a week at the minimum.  BY the way, you dont want to live south of the mason dixon line? 

rnUNprofessional:  keep them thoughts about not moving to the South, prolly a good idea.  You dont seem to be someone who would be happy here. 

Oh, and another thing.......Bush inherited a recession from Clinton.  Thing is........Bush cowboyed up and didnt finger point.  I mean Clintons days as President were over and President Bush behaved honorably and did not do the whining like a kid in recess in school who cried that "But Jimmy cheated at dodgeball".  Maybe someday Obama will take blame for his own mistakes.  I hope everybody knows in the 5 monthes or so that Obama has been in office he has spent more than ALL OF OUR PRESIDENTS COMBINED...........FROM WASHINGTON TO BUSH2.  This is unnacepttable.  I think its also treasonous.   The men who killed thousands on 9 11, used a couple commercial jets to ram into tall buildings.  Bush did the wire tapping thing to prevent the plot for a similar crime over LA. 

I heard in the news that Obama's health care reform is going to cost 1 trillion 500 billion dollars and may increase our taxes to 50%. I think if it gets passed that this will destroy the economy.  I don't think this is the healthcare reform everyone wants.  I believe that healthcare needs to be reformed but big government is probably not the way to do it.

Angienwgeorgia, get my screen name right- I don't mutilate your name why should you mutilate mine?  Anyway as many posters on here would say they feel badly for all those plant workers getting laid off at your husband's company but oh well they should have planned for this, saved for health care expenses etc and just go get another job.  As they would say it is not our resonsibility to help them, or make sure their kids are covered during the upcoming school year etc.  I see you feel badly for them and that's nice but you don't feel badly for all the others down on their luck when their jobs disappear.  They should just fix it themselves and by damn don't raise my taxes etc.  So I guess all your friends and the poor baby with cleft palate and congenital heart defects will have to use the dreaded Federal Health Insurance of Medicaid to get their care.  I do feel badly for them and if they had portable insurance for life that would go from job to job and cover their basic care this would make their lives just a little easier now, but we don't have that and won't unless there is some kind of reform.  Now it is hitting close to home you may see the mercy in this approach.

KEEP IT STRAIGHT!!!! Bush didn't keep us safe on 911 he failed to keep us safe 3000 plus were dead in the US because of Bush.  Get it straight HIS  is the failure.  He did not inheirit a recession he inheirited a surplus, the largest surplus ever!!!.  His watch-- his failures-- his responsibility.  He disregarded warnings, he went on vacation and didn't read the memo about Al Queida, he read my pet goat while the country was under attack and  was completely scared witless that day.  Watch the films of him reading that book, he was way out of his league. He allowed New Orleans to drowned in your beloved south and never made sure it was fixed.  Millions of dollars wasted by him and his cronies and nothing to show for it.  ThIs is all documented now as part of history.

He set up the initial bailout of banks he ran the deficet up with 2 wars.  Did you know this country had never gone to war before Bush with out raising taxes to pay for it ??  Never.  HE is the one who mortgaged our children's future while Whitewater, KBR , EXXON etc got really really rich.

Enough! yeah helath care is going to cost a lot, there will be rationing just like there is now, hard times are here to stay and going to get worse.  * years of failed policies led to this .  Do you really think an administration caused all this in 6 months... no way. Is Obama biting off more than he can chew?  Maybe but change is so needed because for 30 years we have been trying to change healthcare, decrease dependency on fossil fuels, clean up the air and water etc and we get no where.  There is no time left.

angienwgeorgia,

If my choice was a cellphone or healthcare coverage, I would definitely dump the cellphone.  However, you weren't hearing me (reading me).  I live in  the Phoenix metro area.  Phoenix is not like Atlanta or S.F. with their metro systems.  ain't no walking to work here.  I told you that I am a Home Health nurse.  i need a cellphone.  the office calls me while I'm on the road.  clients call me while I'm on the road.  it would be totally unfeasible to try to rendezvous at pay phones a million times during the day.  Also, I don't dig with a tiller.  I don't think it should be a mandatory choice between good health care for all americans and growing your own food, raising your own hogs and chickens and trapping animals for fur for winter clothes.  We all can't be so relaint on the land.  Good for you if this is your way, and I am serious about that.  I took note of your suggestions, but as I live in Phoenix, you can believe I keep bottled water with me.  I don't stop for lunches most of the time, I wait and eat at home, but even if I did, did you follow my math?  How much would I have to give up to be able to afford over $3000.00 a month for my health insurance premium?  Could you do that?  If you could write out a specific budget for me, please do.  I'd really be interested.  Will be needing insurance when the COBRA runs out. 

Kittyrn,

I am not saying that universal healthcare will solve all the problems.  Far from it.  I'm just saying that something needs to change.  I don't want to be one of these people using the hospital ER as my PCP.  I want to be able to pay a premium, but it needs to be something reasonable.  What I quoted a few posts back is not reasonable.  At my last job, I was paying 385.00 a month for myself only and I was Ok with that.  All the suggestions you make may be feasible, i.e short term medical plans, etc.  But selling our house (yeah, right), giving up a cellphone, giving up a vehicle, shopping only in consignment shops should not be the only other viable option.  As i said before, I am currently doing home health nursing in Phoenix, AZ.  it was 115 degrees here today.  Imagine me walking  to and from patient's homes or waiting for a bus ( if there was one) with all my home health paraphernalia. Maybe in some fantasy option, private insurance might refrain from punishing those with pre-existing conditions and let us pay based on the criteria they use for others.  I do not want free coverage.  I want to pay for it.