angienwgeorgia says ...

I read this article a while ago.   Absolutely sick.  My question is did she opt for fafar beans and a nice kianti?  Sorry, my fancy cuisine spelling and vocabulary never existed. Btw, If anybody knows the real kind of beans and wine Hannibal used, Id like to know.   Also...........I wonder if she will get an orange jumpsuit so she can dress like Hannibal Lector too?? 

Angie, in that movie he ate the liver with the fava beans and a nice chianti. At the end of the movie Hannibal he braised the brain with wine and olive oil.

Can we ever be 100% sure that this woman even has a mental illness?  I'm not trying to be condescending here, honestly.  I'm not a psych nurse so I am curious to know, how do we verify with accuracy that an individual actually has a mental illness and this is a valid defense in these types of cases?

You know, it's sad that a person can't post a legitimate question without being berated.  I have absolutely no desire to fall into the middle school mind games that you so obviously love to engage in.

Did I say that I felt she was NOT crazy?  No, I did not.  In fact, in an earlier post I stated just the opposite.  I personally feel this female should be looking at life in prison, or worse.  My question was a valid one.  Just going to court and saying someone is crazy based on acts committed is not enough, there has to be proof of this by way of medical evaluations.  So, back to my original question, what process is used when evaluating an individuals mental capacity?  SEVO, you may sit this one out since you obviously don't have the capability to answer it without being the condescending and sarcastic poster we have all come to love....and hate.

nurseaisha says ...

You know, it's sad that a person can't post a legitimate question without being berated.  I have absolutely no desire to fall into the middle school mind games that you so obviously love to engage in.

Did I say that I felt she was NOT crazy?  No, I did not.  In fact, in an earlier post I stated just the opposite.  I personally feel this female should be looking at life in prison, or worse.  My question was a valid one.  Just going to court and saying someone is crazy based on acts committed is not enough, there has to be proof of this by way of medical evaluations.  So, back to my original question, what process is used when evaluating an individuals mental capacity?  SEVO, you may sit this one out since you obviously don't have the capability to answer it without being the condescending and sarcastic poster we have all come to love....and hate.

No one can actually tell if someon is actually insane..... even f-MRI's are controversial...... BUT.. if this woman did what she did... I think any SANE person would take it as evidence a person is CRAZY..... although eating the brains of the deceased in Micronesia was an excellent case study in epidemiology regarding the spread of a prion disease called Kuru.

In answer to your question there is no 100% way to tell if a person is crazy... but in THIS case i am inclined to think she deserves a pass from the ciminal justice system.

As for life in prison or worse.... what EXACTLY is worse? The death penalty?? If she is INSANE?  That has been tried before... and no, I am not talking about Texas.... with some not so desireable results....can you say Nurenburg Trials?

Nursejenny1310 says ...

MRBrown, and NurseJohn

I have come to greatly respect and look forward to both of your posts as they are always well put and informative. MY question is.........Yes, I agree she has mental issues. I also think a majority of the population has some sort of mental issue. Alchoholism is a mental disorder, in my opinion, but when some one drives drunk and kills someone we dont let them get away with it do we? I think this is the same kind of thing, and again, only my opinion.

I disagree, madam.

Drinking, and then driving, is a CHOICE.  No one chooses to be mentally ill.  It is shocking to me to see your flippant attitude towards mental illness; considering that you are a nurse.  Have you never worked with mentally ill patients before?

leng says ...

it is still a shock to know that some still doesnt understand that being mentally sick is different from lets say being physically sick, its the thinking that blaming the person, for the wrong thing she had done, when she herself is not capable of thinking what is right or wrong, what is true or not.  No one in her right mind would choose to kill her own baby and eat the same! Do we really need to have an indepth study about the case.?!  Can we not qualify killing a baby and eating its brain an act of an insane or mentally disturbed person?! Then how do we call that, just her trip to kill her baby and have her brain as her dinner?!

Wow! With just one look obviously the person is not capable of thinking right. How about us?! Are we or are we not?!

I never said she wasnt insane. She is. What I am saying is she should not ever be let out into society again. Ever. Plain as that, because she may very well do somehting crazy again. You cant fix this kind of thing. You can try with meds......but, and again I will say it for those that chose to ignore my statement....

She was on meds prior to this incident, and for some reason, stopped taking them. It is completely unsafe! Yes, she is insane, I never doubted that for a second, but darn throw away the fricken key!

Good to know....she shouldn't get off.

Actually she was a diagnosed schizophrenic sometime before she got pregnant. Her family had voiced their concerns about her more than once. Apparently she went off the meds (fairly typical of unmonitored schizos) and had this baby. One thing that bothers me is she decided to call 911 so I have to question whether she was truly "out of it".

Thank you Mr. Brown. Exactly what I have said Numerous times. Maybe they might really understand what I was trying to say if more than one person says it as well.

Nursejenny1310 says ...

leng says ...

it is still a shock to know that some still doesnt understand that being mentally sick is different from lets say being physically sick, its the thinking that blaming the person, for the wrong thing she had done, when she herself is not capable of thinking what is right or wrong, what is true or not.  No one in her right mind would choose to kill her own baby and eat the same! Do we really need to have an indepth study about the case.?!  Can we not qualify killing a baby and eating its brain an act of an insane or mentally disturbed person?! Then how do we call that, just her trip to kill her baby and have her brain as her dinner?!

Wow! With just one look obviously the person is not capable of thinking right. How about us?! Are we or are we not?!

I never said she wasnt insane. She is. What I am saying is she should not ever be let out into society again. Ever. Plain as that, because she may very well do somehting crazy again. You cant fix this kind of thing. You can try with meds......but, and again I will say it for those that chose to ignore my statement....

She was on meds prior to this incident, and for some reason, stopped taking them. It is completely unsafe! Yes, she is insane, I never doubted that for a second, but darn throw away the fricken key!

 

 

 

Bravo, great post NurseJenny.  I'm tracking with you on this one.  The risk is to great in this case.  Regardless of the insanity for the security and greater good of the general public taking a chance of letting this person do any more damage would be a wrongdoing in itself.  Empathy and Sympathy are one thing, but let us not let those get in the way of what is better for most all the other people.  Thank you

Cheers - Tim, R.N.

 

 

leng says ...

nurseaisha says ...

Can we ever be 100% sure that this woman even has a mental illness?  I'm not trying to be condescending here, honestly.  I'm not a psych nurse so I am curious to know, how do we verify with accuracy that an individual actually has a mental illness and this is a valid defense in these types of cases?

With due respect i am quoting this post...no doubt that a person who can eat another human is a clear form of mental illness...

Look, I am not insinuating that this female is not way beyond what we would deem as normal.  Dear God, it is amazing how so many people twist what is said on here.  My point, and I will reiterate it again because evidently you didn't read any posts after this one, is that you cannot just waltz into court and tell a judge that YOU feel someone in mentally impaired....you have to show MEDICAL EVIDENCE of such things.  The question was HOW is ones mental capacity evaluated, and I wanted to read a response from someone who had experience in psych.  I never once second guessed whether this person had severe mental issues.  Furthermore, there are many documented cases of cannibalism in which people were not mantally impaired.  Now before you twist that into something else, let me clarify by saying NO I do not condone cannibalism, but it has happened as a mode of survival in civilized societies and still happens in other societies and is considered quite normal for them. 

quoting again what you have said...

Can we ever be 100% sure that this woman even has a mental illness?  I'm not trying to be condescending here, honestly.  I'm not a psych nurse so I am curious to know, how do we verify with accuracy that an individual actually has a mental illness and this is a valid defense in these types of cases?

There are so many available information on the web that you can read maa'm on how a mental patient  is being evaluated, a series of questions, tests, etc, etc can help identify if a person is to be considered mentally ill. One of which is the "medical clearance" of psychiatric patients, it  is the initial medical evaluation of patients in the emergency department (ED) whose symptoms appear to be psychiatric in origin in order to determine whether serious underlying medical illness exists which would render admission to a psychiatric facility unsafe or inappropriate.

Yes, we can explore a lot of possibilities into this case, your mentioning of cannibalism in your previous post (since it is really a fact that there is such thing) can also be considered, but basing on this person's  hx, she was perviously diagnosed mentally ill and depressed and so I'M saying, i think in my own opinion, cannibalism is out of the question in her case. i did not say it was You indicating that.

leng says ...

There are so many available information on the web that you can read maa'm on how a mental patient  is being evaluated, a series of questions, tests, etc, etc can help identify if a person is to be considered mentally ill. One of which is the "medical clearance" of psychiatric patients, it  is the initial medical evaluation of patients in the emergency department (ED) whose symptoms appear to be psychiatric in origin in order to determine whether serious underlying medical illness exists which would render admission to a psychiatric facility unsafe or inappropriate.

Yes, we can explore a lot of possibilities into this case, your mentioning of cannibalism in your previous post (since it is really a fact that there is such thing) can also be considered, but basing on this person's  hx, she was perviously diagnosed mentally ill and depressed and so I'M saying, i think in my own opinion, cannibalism is out of the question in her case. i did not say it was You indicating that.

Thank you for alerting me to the internet...I had no idea it existed.  As I stated earlier, I was hoping to hear from a psych nurse...someone with first hand knowlege who could share his/her expertise.  Unfortunately, you responded instead.

Oh, was I not playing nice?  Rude?  No.  Sarcastic?  Yes.  So sorry, but I don't typically back down when I feel someone is being condescending with me.  Of course, tone is written form is subjective.  And I rest my case.