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Nurse "Didn't Break Rules" After Sex with Psych Patient - Right Call?

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Recently, a male nurse at the Mayo Clinic was reprimanded (but not fired) have having sex with a patient in a locked hospital psychiatric unit. She became pregnant. Did Mayo Clinic make the right call, or should this nurse have been struck off?


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Qualifying my remark by saying I am judging this based on this single article I will state my opinion. Regardless of whether a prior relationship existed or not, this nurse most certainly took advantage of a patient during a period where she was likely more vulnerable that usual. By this I mean it is difficult to get a patient committed, willing or involuntarily, to inpatient psych care. She was probably in a crisis to some degree. This is only in my ER nurse opinion. Psych nurses please advise as that is the limit of my experience here.


Fire the bum again and file a complaint with his state Board of Nursing. If the Board finds in favor of the emplioyer by sanctioning him perhaps the Mayo can sue him for costs. And please hope the employer passes this information along to his next employer.

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Well put, Mr. Brown. In my mind, it is still behavior unbecoming of a nurse which, in some cases, is reason enough to revoke your license. We can't judge 100% of the situation, though, because we don't know the patients state of mind or the reason for hospitalization.

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I'd love to hear some psych nurses chime in on this since they have the expertise.

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If the guy was on the clock and acting in the capacity of a nurse, he would be way out of bounds even if the patient happened to be his spouse (which it likely wasn't).  I can't believe he wasn't terminated; it probably would have violated his rights as a perpetrator.  Just as mrbrown49 stated, the fact that the patient was in the psych ward seems to indicate that she was vulnerable.  Regardless of which unit she was on, a nurse engaging in sexual relations with a patient is as unprofessional and inappropriate as it gets.


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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

He had sex with a psych patient in the hospital right?  I think that most people caught having sex AT WORK would be fired for that alone...add the fact that she is patient and he is nurse...his coworkers must be so disapointed/embarassed that they work there. 

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Rate This | Posted almost 4 years ago

 

Completely unethical, should have been fired on the spot.

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Why is there even a debate on this subject? He should have been fired and his name placed on the net as a sex offender.

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10-4 on the sex offender list, sevo.

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Yes i think they made the right call prior relationship or not he should have kept his pants up.


At the time she was a patient not just a fling. He should have known better, as professonals we just do not do those kinds of things.


It makes the whole profession look bad. Our patients should be able to trust us to take care of them not harm them or take advantage of them.


If the law did not do anything I would have fired him.

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I was an attorney for the State - I sometimes had to prosecute cases like this -


I prosecuted for abuse (to take the license or certification of the employee), and referred to the criminal prosecutor for criminal charges.


Sex with a patient in such an institution is by definition sexual assault.


I would also insure the facility immediately took the individual out of patient contact until the investigation was complete. If they didn't do so I would fine them heavily.


Of course I don't know the details here, so this is only my opinion....

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Was he on the clock at the time these incidents occurred?  Just curious because I don't recall the article saying either way.  Regardless though, I feel he took advantage of a situation, prior relationship or not.  She clearly was there for a reason and probably wasn't in the best mind frame to be making decisions such as this.


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Even if I was not a nurse with 27 years experience, this situation should not set right with anyone.  When we work with patients,  especially in behavioral health settings we become familiar with their past traumas, phobias, and vulnerabilities. We are at an unfair advantage and for those with strong personalities even with personality disorders, they can manipulate a patient at that person's lowest point. This should never be tolerated under any circumstances. This worker should have been terminated.

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Having sex with a patient is abuse, whether the patient is a psych patient or not. aol.com">Marcip007@aol.com

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Are you kidding me? This is appalling! Would it be different if it was a male patient and female nurse? She would be a "slut" and out the door. The patient was in a very vulnerable position. This crosses the line. At the Mayo Clinic no less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 


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Ahhhhhhhhhh.....Seems there is a lack of common sense.   It was WRONG...TOTALLY WRONG!!!   I am a nurse that happens to be male & this action action has NO professionalism.   Enough said!

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The state report, posted on the Health Department website last month, said the male nurse, who worked in a different unit at the hospital, denied any sexual activity with the woman while she was a patient there. She later miscarried.


Hard to say, it sounds like a he said, she said.  If no one witnessed or caught them in the act, the pregnancy could have come from a prior sexual act outside of the hospital.  If there is no evidence that it occurred other than a psychiatric pt's word, she could be paying him back for something.

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Well Kitty you have a point there. But as a professional he should never have been in the position that the question or charge could even come up.

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I've got to plead ignorant, and add a disclaimer.  I didn't read the article.  I based my previous response on the info that initiated this thread.  If the male nurse was actually caught having sex with a patient, he's guilty..............period............and should automatically be terminated.  If it was a he said she said situation, that is entirely different.  Nothing scares me more than the thought of somebody making false allegations against me about inappropriate/sexual assault and/or battery.  Regardless if the charges go unfounded, once the news gets out, the damage is done.  Things like this do happen, and regardless if we are presumed innocent until proven guilty, people seem to jump to their own conclusions more often than not.  I would challenge mrbrown49's position on this.  If someone made false allegations, things are out of the alleged perp's control; without regard for his/her professionalism.  Their credibility may ultimately save them in court, but he/she may be dragged through and awful lot of mud in the mean time.


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It probably is a he said she said case BUT... do we know if it was all properly investigated ... because sometimes things like this seem to get swept under the rug in order to preserve the reputation not of the nurse but of the clinic.  Did they only reprimanded because that way he would keep his job and his mouth shut or was it because they really didn't have an open and shut case and the clinic didn't want to be sued by him if it turned out to be false.  There are so many things to consider in this case.  With all the facts not available I hold judgment but ... If he had sex with her then he needed to be terminated because he took advantage of a patient and that is WRONG in any form.


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I've seen nurses over the years that have had false charges against them, as a retaliation from a pt.  I think the bigger problem would be if he was NOT terminated to uphold the reputation of the clinic.  Everytime, I have seen founded allegations of a sexual nature, the employee was terminated and it WAS turned over to the state license board.  Having said that, I've seen hospitals, that were willing to turn a blind eye to employee's under the influence of drugs. 


I've seen bad pt's with a grudge against nurses, and file complaints that were completely unfounded.  Obviously, if there was evidence he should have been terminated.  I just find it hard to believe that in a psych ward that they actually got away with having sex, and nobody noticed. 

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if this is true, then he is so sick to the bone!


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I agree that it is hard to believe that anyone could turn a blind eye and not see what was going on in a psych ward but I have done clinicals in a state run institution and I could see it happening.  Sorry to say but a percentage of the nurses in those institutions have become numb.  I'm not saying all but as with any job there are those that care and those that don't.  And if the opportunity presented itself to the right person with the wrong morales then...  I would hope that if there was evidence against the man he would have been terminated and lost his license because he does not deserve to be called a CAREGIVER.


I also know that patients especially in that setting could be revengeful if their advances were shot down.  I guess we will never know the whole story and we can only hope that it was a false allegation and that this man will not be out there and doing it to someone else.


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I read the article and at the bottom was the following under the Minnesota law:


The law states that anyone 18 or older in a health-care facility is a vulnerable adult, deserving protection. But it also says that “a vulnerable adult is not abused for the sole reason [of engaging] in consensual sexual contact with … a person, including a facility staff person, when a consensual sexual personal relationship existed prior to the caregiving relationship.”


So under that law, since the girl said it was consensual and they had a prior sexual relationship he shouldn't have been fired. But does the law as it is stated really address a situation such as this? Even with a prior sexual relationship the patient is in a psych ward and should be considered a vulnerable adult. Her thought process may not have been optimal. We as nurses are supposed to be patient advocates. Taking advantage of a patient in a psych ward is wrong.  I believe he should have been fired, but the law as written would prevent that.


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