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| Posted almost 5 years ago I agree completely! LPNs are brushed aside as though they aren't "real" nurses. The knowledge is there, the skill is there, but the pay is definately different. There are only a handful of things an RN can perform that an LVN cannot, so where are the put downs actually coming from? I'm glad you brought this up! |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago LPN"s Deserves MUCH RESPECT! I was a LPN for six years before returning to school. People fail to remember that when working in healthcare, we must all work as a team so that we can provide the best care. There are certain skills that CNA's, LPN's and RN's have that when put together = Quality Healthcare! So comming from an RN, I love having an LPN to work with. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I am a LPN .My pay is higher than the RN who took care of me in the hospital.They didnt have CNAS to help ,they did total patient care |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Hello, I'm new to this so I can't say whether Rn's are better than LPN's. I've chosen to go the route of LPN because I knew I wasn't to going to get into the RN program at my local community college and because I just want to get into the field and start my career. I've spent the last three years just trying to get the pre-reqs done and I'm not getting any closer to the goal. So I'm going the LPN route and I intend to the best job I can as one. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I wannabe an RN. Having been an LVN for 15 years and have worked fulltime nursing registry for 10 of them, and have worked in many areas- often- home health(private, teaching and visits),Hospice, ER, tele, medsurg,surgical, surgical-ortho rehab, specialty clinics, DOU, L&D and Mental Health( old school-Psych) save the operating room - with limited experience in ICU, I would love to get paid for all of My experience that I do willing offer when I am assigned to any area-especially when the assignment is originally meant for an RN's expertise.I will say most RN's who work with me are quite pleased and feel confident in my nursing skills. More often than not - During my assignment an RNs interaction with my patients are minimal- only requiring attention if the action is out of my scope of practice. I would love to GET PAID ( adequately compensated) for the work I do and experience I have. I do respect the knowledge and the position of an RN---SO I am am in pursuit of my RN BSN. I will say I am playful- but when I am in my nursing role - there is no play involved. I am very proud to be an LVN - ANd I love when RNs and MDs alike are taken aback when they discover they have interacted with me as professionals assuming I am an RN. I feel a have helped them dispel their ideas that LVN/LPN's are mindless pill pushers. LVN's WAVE YOUR CADUCEUS IN THE AIR!!! Hee Hee- ok I am being silly |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago LPN's are very important. I was told the other day from a nurse recruiter that hospitals are getting away from hiring LPN's because they are a large liability. I don't see this. I think the more eyes, or help there is benefits the patient. One nurse may not see everything and the LPN may catch something the RN doesn't and visa versa. Some of the places I've worked as RN/LPN team we busted butt checking out and caring for the patients. It was a good thing, bouncing ideas off each other. Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Where is this hospital located? I would like to see some documentation on LPNs being a liability. I would think that the med techs would be a liability . where are they coming from with this? Never heard this one before. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago People have said this in a round about way, but this person said that hospitals are getting away from using LPN's. An article I read the other day said that LPNs are on the rise, it's one of the jobs that's having large growth. I know this hospital is trying for all RN's. It doesn't make sense not using LPN's when they are so short of help. Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Makes no sense to me. I do know that in the Atlanta area there were almost no LPNs in hospitals. LPNs were in the LTC facilities. Outside of Atlanta in the more rural areas LPNs were used in hospitals but only as med nurses. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I think a lot of it has to do with primary care nursing these days. Once they go back to team nursing they will get the LPN back in there. I been reading lately that there is even talk of removing the CNA, which makes no sense to me. I think many places do not know how to properly use the LPN and CNA. Hey cd are you in Alanta now? Did you leave Vegas? Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago No, I am still in Las Vegas. I was in Atlanta for most of my life. The last six years I was up in the northeast part of the state. I am homesick. Been here for 1 ½ years already. We are kind of stuck here now with the housing market the way it is. I do love my job so that makes things a little more tolerable. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago How could anyone possibly do without CNAs?? That makes no sense. They tried it at a hospital here. No CNAs and no LPNs, only RNs giving total care. Didn't work. They brought the CNAs back but not the LPNs. I think nursetb38 said it best "We are each of us angels with only one wing and we can fly only by embracing one another. " This is appropriate regarding the LPN/RN position. nursetb38- I totally agree with you |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I agree. One hospital I worked at the RTs even got their hands dirty. They answered call lights and assisted with BRP, we all pitched in. I wonder where admin gets these great ideas. I would love a hospital ran by the nursing staff, like a co-op hospital. Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Char, I TOO started as a NA you were not even certified at the time but then I also got my LVN and worked as an LVN while finishing my RN and worked as an RN to get my degrees and so on, everyone has different goals, we are ALL important to our patient's I have the highest respect for the LVN and CNAs that care for my patient's, the patient's need them as well. A busy RN is here |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago A CNA saved my sanity!. I recall all to well My first days as "floor " nurse. I was to receive 3strenuous weeks of orientation as an LVN on a Cardiopulmonary/med surg unit. This was before the "ratio" thing. For some odd reason following My third day I was informed I would be receiving a full load and was second admission( but not to worry because an RN would still be following me). I was given a Ventilator pt, a s/p cabag((with an open wound to the chest), a TB Pt(Respiratory Isolation), A very demanding young man with chronic back pain on frequent IM demerol prn.( yes this was back when we used Demerol- a total care non-verbal R/O urosepsis pt and a very nervous copd exacerbation pt and a women in her 60's wwith a CARDIAC HISTORY. Ok now if I new better then I would have ask the charge nurse did she think her descion was wise( good risk managment) but I didn't so I nervously with saucer eyes took report. I checked my orders , gave my Rn an IV list-and received her list of Po meds for her pt's , made My rounds and started my day. I was nervous but functioning, until I found My self Having to struggle with these toal care bed baths. It was easy in clinicals - I had help, I had time and could let the nursing staf know if I was so pressed for time , I couldn't do it- Well it was all on me and I felt like carrion in quick sand waitng for the RN charge nurse to ask me why I had such poor organizational skills and was unable to complete a simple task like two bed baths -----Suctioning done, wound care done, nebulizer done-theophylline given-ativan given- Demerol effective for the moment- ok all I have to do now is draw CE and cbc in 30 minutes, restart IV access for TB pt - And do two bed baths- Oh did I for get to draw that trough- I needed help- " Look call me stupid if you want but I will buy you lunch if you show me the easiest way to change this soaked linen and........" So I begged and bribed a Cna who showed how to provide the best bed bath with linen change so quick , effecient and perfect it would put Florence in tears. She also gave Me many other pointers that helped me in so many ways . I got through the day- crying through lunch- and on breaks- I kept my patients, safe, comfortable and "clean", Almost missed My peak level- A CNA reminded me- Thank God for her. She had taught me many early morning Pt bedside care organizational skills that have made my floor nursing life so much easier. She was an experienced CNA and recognized this was a sink or swim moment for Me. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I have something to say that absolutely blows my mind! I have been an Rn since 6/11 and wow. I have gone back to work where I worked on and off during school until I can get a graduate position in the hospital. I have heard "I don't know I'm just an LPN' and "you don't really think LPN's can do that?" from LPN's. I would have never said these words in my years as an LPN. I was very proud of my positions as an LPN. I pushed myself to learn, to grow...Our Lpn instructor said she would haunt us forever if she heard "I'm just an LPN." I don't know if it is just the state I am in, they don't think highly of the LPN in this state. So does this make the LPN think less of their abilities, skills and critical thinkin? There are some very weak, maybe insecure LPN's. There are very good ones to but I have never run into this attitude...ever! Have I just stepped into the Rn vs Lpn thing. God I hope not! The LPN's I worked with through school are great, they don't treat me any different...I know I'm not different. It's the new younger ones, it's almost like they don't want to use there skills, maybe they aren't teaching that these days, who knows? I always thought of myself, as well as other LPN's I've worked with, that we were part of the RN/LPN team. Please don't pay any attention to my misspelled words or typos. Sorry I'll try harder next time. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Iam an lpn who has no desire to be an RN,i like my job & can live comfotably between mine & my husbands salary ,even in these tough economic times.I feel i AM a real nurse & never have ,or ever will be a "wanna be" !There are too many opportunities to further education if that is what you want! |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago http://nursinglink.monster.com/benefits/4352-10-reasons-to-choose-an-lpnlvn-license 10 Reasons to Choose an LPN/LVN Licence
Nursing education can sometimes seem long, arduous and difficult to face when you are first making decisions about your career. However, if you have a desire to go into the field of nursing, there is a path, that is, perhaps as arduous, but at least, less lengthy. If your current life circumstances keep you from devoting too many years to a nursing education, if you have completed a high school diploma or GED and are over 17 years old, consider a Licensed Practical/ Vocational Nurse (LPN/LVN) certification and licensure. Here are 10 reasons this could be a reasonable path for you: 1. You can receive the education you need to take the LVN licensure exam with 12-18 months of classes. The kind of care an LVN learns to provide, include basic bedside care, bathing, lifting, mouth care, caring for wounds, administering injections, delivering simple procedures and measuring the vital signs of temperature, pulse, respiration and blood pressure. State laws refer to this as direct patient care and “data collection.” The LVN observes and collects information about the state of a patient’s condition so that the RN and physician can respond to that data with an assessment and diagnosis. Some states allow LVNs to start intravenous lines and attend to patients who need ventilator care. Often times, the LPN will find her/him self taking on the clerical duties of a physician’s office assisting in the patient scheduling, assuring medical records are completed and even managing and supervising the office. They also are prepared in their education to communicate with family members, and can then educate the family and the patient himself about home care or deliver other information the physician feels is important for the patient to know to enhance the healing process. The kinds of classes that need completion and that are part of an accredited program for LVNs/ LPN cerification include many classes also offered to the RN student. These include: • Anatomy and physiology During a program there are many hours spent in the hospital or physician office setting as the lab section of the program and the internship. As many as 1000 hours may be spent in this part of the program. State laws do require that Vocational or Practical nurses complete an accredited program and receive certification at the end of a program. After such a course, the student will be eligible to complete the NCLEX-PN licensure exam given to ensure the knowledge of the student and to actually give the student the license of LPN/LVN. The LPN or LVNs are the “front line” licensed staff of hospitals, skilled nursing facilities and physician offices. They are the skilled nurses that help gather information that is used to assess the condition of patients and then allows for correct diagnoses and treatment by the RN, Advanced Practice Clinician or physician. This is a growing field that can be a complete and fulfilling career in itself, or a beginning for someone who wants to continue on the path of nursing. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago Hey Business2CNA no disrespect meant here at all, but do you think that you could stop posting that article in it's entirety? I like that you post the link -that's great. Maybe you could post a summary, or lead-in to the story and type "To read more about this click on the link". Sorry, don't mean to be nasty at all, but it's on the site in like at least three different places now. Thanks. |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago I think if anyone in the nursing field is underrated it's the cna. I've read the post on this site but you lpns say the same things about cnas. i worked as a cna for many years. It was the rns who told me that i would make an excellent nurse. I knew i would because i wasn't a lazy cna. I've seen lazy lpns, and rns. When i went back to school it was because i wanted to be the kind of nurse that didn't mind getting my hands dirty. I T'S NOT beneath me to change a patient , give a shower or feed someone.. Just because i have degrees that doesn't make me better than anyone. I know how it feels to be considered the low man on the toting pole. Some rns have been nothing but that. that is all they know. They might have never been a cna or an lpn. So of course they are stuck up people. I am a rn but in my heart i will never forget where i started, as a cna. That job was my bread and butter for many years. So don't judge all rns. Some of us are really good people.. |
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I respectfully, disagree with you; RNs are educated to provide patient care. (Although the BSN may practice in many areas of nursing, the BSN is often required for administrative and managerial roles.) While I agree that the letters behind our names do not automatically make either more competent, an RN is legally expected to perform at a higher level of practice and is legally held responsible for actions of those she has delegated her responsibilities. The clinical course work identifies only a portion of the ADN education received. As an ADN student, we are educated to ASSESS and EVALUATE. And those areas are the primary areas that differ when discussing the scope of practice between LPN and RN. Although the LPN may assist with assessment and data collection, only the RN has legal authority to make nursing diagnoses that structure the nursing care provided. As caregiver, the nurse delegates some aspects of care to other healthcare providers but assumes *responsibility* for the care and safety of the patient. If an LPN is capable of this responsibility and the RN has the LPN to provide this care, it is ultimately the RN who is legally responsible for the care provided. I want to admit that I do not understand how LPNs can (legally) work as primary nurse providers. I have seen very competent LPNs, it’s just not within the scope of practice -in Wisconsin anyway. I totally agree that higher pt to nurse ratios is unsafe. I admire your passion on this subject and appeal to you to fully comprehend the differences before you continue your platform. I also encourage you to follow your heart; whether it be LPN, RN, or restaurateur. It would be a shame to loose someone like you from the nursing profession! |
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| Posted almost 5 years ago VA hospitals have LPN positions. As for what's better/worse, higher/lower, etc, etc, yada yada yada..... Do what makes u the happiest. Having a degree does not make u a better person or a better employee. It's how u perform your job that counts. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Tallahassee has become a pro RN city. Most of the facilities and hospitals are going Magnet Status. If you are an LPN in these establishments they offer incentives for you to become an RN.. I am an LPN and I have been offered to have RN schooling paid for. However, I am in no rush to get back in school. I think the one thing that bothers me the most is when nurse's from the hospital call report for new admissions. The first thing they ask is if you are an LPN or an RN. When I say LPN if find that the attitude changes and they often become condescending. They often talk to you like you're an idiot.. I know not all RN's are like that but the one's that are really get me on edge. "There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not."
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| Posted over 4 years ago Dont blame the RNs for what companies are choosing to do. Personally I love LPNs considering I was one for 7 years before I went back for my RN. I think LPNs are needed but we RNs dont make that decision the Government and policy makers do. I think it is great that you enjoy being an LPN just like I enjoy being an RN, but I dont think we should be judged or knocked for something we have no control over. Shoot I hate the fact that once I did get my RN they started requiring you to have a BSN or MSN to get certain jobs but it is what it is and the only thing I can do is go back and get that if I want the position I am appling for. When it all comes down to it we are all nurses and should look out for are fellow nurses instead of dogging them for having more education. I really thought we had come farther than that. Keeping it real. |
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I never have and never will understand this. I started as an LPN. The first time I heard anyone knocking LPNs came from the LPNs, not from the RNs. I never once as an LPN have an RN treat me with disdain. For the most part this is nothing more than a low self esteem. I never heard “Little Play Nurse” out of the mouths of anyone other than an LPN. In short, this problem between LPNs and RNs is an LPN misconception and does not lie with the RNs. Also, we need to respect and support each other. Yes, we are all nurses. We have different training and different job responsibilities. I have no more paper work as an RN than I did as an LPN. I have heard both as an LPN and as an RN LPNs make very crude remarks about RNs. I have heard such things as “I am not dumb enough to be an RN” from LPNs I never sat on my ass as an LPN, as an RN, or now as an NP. I do not see most nurses with any of the above degrees sitting on their ass. RNs do have a different focus on training. Sorry, that focus IS NOT on administrative. The training is and always will be on nursing. The biggest difference between LPN and RN training is that the training focuses more on critical thinking skills. Critical thinking skills, and I know I am going to piss some people off here, is not a focus in the LPN program and many LPNs do not have this skill. Some do. I have been an LPN, RN and I am now with MSN behind my name. It does not go to my head. Each time I go back to school I realize how much I did not know before. I am now planning to go for DNP. I always respect my coworkers, those with more education and those with less education. I teach to both those under my supervision and have taught my supervisors. In turn, I have learned from PA,s, NPs, RNs, MAs, LPNs, MDs, and CNAs. I am finding myself wishing that admin would “lock” this topic. I find the negative feeling through out it to be harmful to both LPNs and RNs. And, I am finding the topic to be very old and boring. LPNS are not being “phased out” LPNs are being used in different capacities. Technology and medicine have advanced. The LPN training has basically stayed the same. A one year program with the very basics of nursing. Therefore, the areas where LPNs will “fit” have changed. It has nothing to do with how smart or how dumb one is. Someone mentioned liability. Well, that could be a very real possibly when you consider the changes in technology. Cutie suggested to all that the read the article posted here on ADNS and the career ladder. I agree. Take a look. IN addition, everyone needs to read the numerous articles that are available about the statistics of fewer patient deaths when RNs are at the bedside. Let’s stop with this negative rock throwing and work with and respect each other. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Get over this RN vs LPN thing. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago I am currently an LVN but working towards my RN. The reason? Well quite simply the pay difference. A starting LVN (new grad) in my facitlity will make about $19.50/hr, whereas an RN will make $27.00/hr starting out & be trained by the LVN on how to be a charge nurse. I am in management, so I make a little more than a fresh LVN but would earn even more as an RN in management. So I figure what the heck, I already do the job of an RN with the pay of an LVN, I may as well do the same job with $10.00 or more per hour! I'm doing the online excelsior transition so my time away from hubby & kids is minimal, but certainly don't think there is much difference in an LVN & an RN other than a piece of paper & initials. |
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| Posted over 4 years ago Cuttie is NOT EVEN A NURSE shes a CNA so your comment: It has been studied, not only LVN's can't give better care, but RN's with only a ADN degree. IS DISSMISSED FROM ME!!! LOL LPNs and RN ADN give great care!!! i gave great care when i went from LPN to RN ADN and i still do now as a BSN!!!! |
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| Posted over 4 years ago The hospital where I worked as CNA and Unit Clerk had only 2 LPN's...don't know. All the new hires in the 3 years I was there were RN's. One LPN was good and the other...well, outside of work she was a little strange too. Made no sense because she wanted to pick and choose what she did...can't do that no matter what letters come behind your name. She was good at one thing that I remember: Excuses...for everything. She came into the nurses station one afternoon and apprised the MD that she had just come from the bathroom and while he had "this look" on his face, I just HAD to say thank you for sharing that with us. He laughed, she didn't. A Proud Redneck Lovin' the Country Life |
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| Posted over 4 years ago The whole LPN/ RN debate has been going on for years, and i am sure will continure for a long time to come.I have met many good LPN'S and some not so good LPN'S.I think it depends on where and what type unit you will be working.At the hospital i work at, they do not hire LPN'S.There are a few that were "grandfathered" in, but they will hire no more.I have worked w/ a many Lpn that could carry their weight in gold, while others not so much.Picking and choosing what can do, what pt's you can take etc puts a big strain on the rest of the staff. Working on a super busy med surg ortho unit, you do not have time for that.Others, have been wonderful.So when people ask should i go for LPN or RN, i think they need to think about where they want to work, and what exactly the type of job they want.What are their goals in their career.That is all i have to say on the subject. :) |


