Amazing how so many people can form an opinion and express it civilly, disagreeing politely with others, where a couple here (including a few with so called "advanced" educations) cannot seem to open their mouths without some whining, sarcastic smartass remarks.

Oh dear, Rich White Men are trying to control us!

For those of you who have not participated in sites other than Nursing Link, believe me, you find this all over - there are just a lot of people (liberal, conservative, whatever) who feel they will attract the most attention and impress the most people by being name-calling jerks. It's the only way they know of to express themselves.

Best thing to do:  Ignore them and go on with the reasoned debate...

I agree, Captain.  Not to mention some of these same individuals are the ones crying foul over race...I'm a racist if I dislike Obama's politics and do not wish to have his liberal agenda pushed onto my children, even though they themselves are of mixed race. I clearly cannot simply dislike the views and opinions of this person and still be colorblind according to some.  If Obama were white would I still be called a racist, because I guarantee that if he was I would still dislike him.....interesting.  However, the same individual can use an expression like "rich, white men are trying to control us".  Don't forget about the women...we want to control you too.  Sound ridiculous?  That's because it is. 

Jenny, off the topic, but I love your quote at the bottom of your posts....it's beautiful.

Religion in public schools? I have no problems if a student or teacher wishes to give thanks before they eat their lunch, just so long as nobody is forcing anyone else to. I prayed before lunch when i was a HS student, i did it silently. I'm happily Wiccan, and no we don't worship the devil---i get that question frequently. Nor do I dance around a fire cursing people, that's a common misconception as well. I have no problems with people praying before a big test, before eating or whatever. There's good reasons for not watching television.......the reason we watch very little TV is because it rots your brain and inundates a person with ideals they may not agree with. There's better things to do than to argue about politics because arguments get nothing done and politics will be around until the end of time. Enough is enough, don't you think?

kellyj says ...

theala

i would only like ownership of  the  extreme debt  placed squarely on Obama's shoulders. Maybe the  Bush's too... but most def Pres Obama! tax the hell out of those three and maybe they would think twice about trying to spend their way out of debt! kinda gives whole new meaning to the "pep talk" stay in school so ....what???... you can pay off the debt  oh yeah... great pep talk .!!

That is completely unrealistic.  First of all, Obama inherited the current deficit.  Yes it is getting worse with the stimulus and the bailout, but economists agree it had to be done. 

The economy is already recovering.  Recessions are always painful.  I predict that by the end of Obama's term, the economy will be roaring again, and people will have forgotten about the pain at the beginning of his term.  This is typical of recessions.

Aisha

If you like that quote from Nurse Jenny  I bet you love Phantom of the Opera.

Name calling , rich and white are adjectives describing the noun men.  Do you on the right think Rich and White are bad words?  Golly they didn't teach me that in my advanced education I paid for by myself. 

Czars were invented as adjuncts to the executive branch by Richard Nixon, a Republican. 

As to your quote taken way way way out of context

Holdren and Paul Ehrlich put their anti-growth philosophy into a mathematical equation, I=PAT, where a negative environmental impact was linked to any combination of population growth, increasing affluence, and improving technology. This “gloomy prognosis” required, according to the three:

“organized evasive action: population control, limitation of material consumption, redistribution of wealth, transitions to technologies that are environmentally and socially less disruptive than today’s, and movement toward some kind of world government” (1977: p. 5).

Here is the link to fact checker who rated these attacks on Holder as Pants on Fire level of fallacy brought to you by Glenn Beck et al.  Just think how Mr Beck delivered these outrageous statements in that slightly whiny scary condenscending tone he has.  ( Yes, that was a snarky comment) 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jul/29/glen...

And oh by the way when we run out of clean water which is quite possible---

(  referencehttp://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/17/water.crisis/ 

any government who isn't limiting population, limits on consumption etc will not be helping their people.

Yep I read all that before I posted it is in the rebuttal calling Glenn Beck's claims lies.  Lies because they aare outlining what could be done sociologically if societies are in peril.  They do not advocate doing them. 

From the article since you only took a piece

Vitter continued with his line of question, asking directly, "Do you think determining optimal population is a proper role of government?"


Said Holdren: "No, senator, I do not. ... I think the proper role of government is to develop and deploy the policies with respect to economy, environment, security, that will ensure the well-being of the citizens we have."

But with regard to Beck's claim that Holdren "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population," the text of the book clearly does not support that. We think a thorough reading shows that these were ideas presented as approaches that had been discussed. They were not posed as suggestions or proposals. In fact, the authors make clear that they did not support coercive means of population control. Certainly, nowhere in the book do the authors advocate for forced abortions.

Some have argued that Holdren's view of the imminent and grave global dangers posed by overpopulation should provide pause, given Holdren's current view that global warming now presents imminent and grave global dangers. That's a matter for reasoned debate.  

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But in seeking to score points for a political argument, Beck seriously mischaracterizes Holdren's positions. Holdren didn't advocate those ideas then. And, when asked at a Senate confirmation hearing, Holdren said he did not support them now. We think it's irresponsible to pluck a few lines from a 1,000-page, 30-year-old textbook, and then present them out of context to dismiss Holdren's long and distinguished career. And we rate Beck's claim Pants on Fire!

Yes, I know what she referred to -- words you post under your name are lyrics to "Music of the Night" by Andrew LLoyd Webber. From the Musical Phantom of the Opera from her post it sounded like she didn't know what they were so I referred her to the musical.  In rereading it I still don't think she is aware those are lyrics.

theala says ...

kellyj says ...

theala

i would only like ownership of  the  extreme debt  placed squarely on Obama's shoulders. Maybe the  Bush's too... but most def Pres Obama! tax the hell out of those three and maybe they would think twice about trying to spend their way out of debt! kinda gives whole new meaning to the "pep talk" stay in school so ....what???... you can pay off the debt  oh yeah... great pep talk .!!

That is completely unrealistic.  First of all, Obama inherited the current deficit.  Yes it is getting worse with the stimulus and the bailout, but economists agree it had to be done. 

The economy is already recovering.  Recessions are always painful.  I predict that by the end of Obama's term, the economy will be roaring again, and people will have forgotten about the pain at the beginning of his term.  This is typical of recessions.

The recession did start in '08, due to fear of change but there is always a recession during a presidential election, but lets face the facts, Obama within 6 months of his presidency has made the tax rate over 137 +/- thousand/ person in six months, this is not inherited, this is part of the new admins change. 

To stimulate by giving people money for school supplies and they parents were able to buy beer and cigarettes off your tax paying dollars is not stimulus.  To bail out corps and they are not pumping money back into the economy is not stimulus, to go on 35,000/wk on vacations for the presidential family, is not only NOT stimulus, but a waste of my tax dollars.  

It amazes me how every party wants to blame the president prior.  It has been proven that Obama has spent more money than what was made.  He has had so much printed that we have no backing (i.e. Gold, silver) to our dollar which makes it worthless, this is why China, one of our biggest investors is having a fit, our money isn't worth anything.  I am not saying Bush was perfect by no means, but lets face reality.

None of Obama's changes are working.  Our job is to unite, save our freedom and rights and go back to state's right and have accountability.  NO body is willing to accept responsibility.  We cannot bail everyone out.  This is just pathetic.

RNprogressive says ...

Yes, I know what she referred to -- words you post under your name are lyrics to "Music of the Night" by Andrew LLoyd Webber. From the Musical Phantom of the Opera from her post it sounded like she didn't know what they were so I referred her to the musical.  In rereading it I still don't think she is aware those are lyrics.

You didn't refer me to anything in your reply, you were being haughty and hateful.

Evidently you think you are the only educated person on this site.  DO NOT presume to know anything about me since it is painfully obvious that you don't.  Your condescending, holier than thou, look at me I'm educated and lots smarter than you attitude is one of the ugliest I have ever witnessed.

RNprogressive says ...

I did refer you to Phantom of the Opera I thought if you liked the words as you stated; you would like the song.  I'm sorry you choose to feel inferior and be a victim.  I don't believe I ever insulted your intelligence just maybe your breadth of experience. 

If you think for one second I feel inferior to you, you are sadly mistaken.  Again, you know NOTHING about my breadth of experience and presuming that you do makes you the fool.  Please do not address me personally any further in any of your posts.  I do not wish to engage in any conversation/debate with you in this forum or any other. Period. 

Umm She attacks me I give a rebuttal.  Anyway I wiil not reply directly to her anymore only in a general way.  Why would I stalk anyone none of  this is personal it it faceless and nameless.  It is thoughts without attachment to personality.  Hence I have no faux friends, no hearts and flowers on my profile.  No gifts I find that whole thing extremely bizarre.  Anyway, no comments to me I have no comments to her.  Peace in our time.

Dude I've been waiting for you to show up to provide me some top cover!

nursepatrice says ...

To  Nursejenny1310,

Well let me explain since you dont get it.  This President is a man of stature. If you don't see the underlined racism then you too have a problem. Where were these "concerned" parents and I stretch concerned parents when President Bush was in office going to war for what, still no one knows. Where were they when they were showing soldiers getting their heads cut off on tv. Where are  these concerned parents as they show women in there underware, people having sex on tv.......where are they. You say this is not for nurselink, I do not dispute that, but the whole issue was not for nurselink, but I didn't post the question. Nor am I the first to comment. Get your head out of your butt and open your eyes!!!!!!!!! The Presidents before Obama addressed the school children, even they one that wasn't as smart as the students he was addressing. No one had an outcry, no one objected to that, so please explain to me where the problem lies when President Obama addressed these children. You "concerned parents" didn't even know what His speech was about, but you objected so profound, so harsh, and so judgemental. So explain to me why was he judged? And my support and vote is with God Almighty!!!!!!! If you read your bible you would understand, there would be no confusion. Nothing on this earth happens unless God allows it. Like I said before and will say again.......... GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY!!!!!! AMERICA NEEDS IT. And in the meantime, I pray God keep all of you and open your minds to the truth. AMEN!!!!!!

WHAT???? I never said this issue did not belong being discussed on nursing link. WHAT I SAID WAS I dont think there is a problem with race here on nursing link. As other people besides myself have pointed out. And I dont know where you started reading, BUt i agreed with the fact that other presidents have done the same thing and it was not a big deal. Now if you wish to discuss the end times, there is a thread on that. This is not the one. Oh and please DO NOT tell me to "get my head out of my butt". Ever. That is rude.

nursepatrice says ...

To  Nursejenny1310,

Well let me explain since you dont get it.  This President is a man of stature. If you don't see the underlined racism then you too have a problem. Where were these "concerned" parents and I stretch concerned parents when President Bush was in office going to war for what, still no one knows. Where were they when they were showing soldiers getting their heads cut off on tv. Where are  these concerned parents as they show women in there underware, people having sex on tv.......where are they. You say this is not for nurselink, I do not dispute that, but the whole issue was not for nurselink, but I didn't post the question. Nor am I the first to comment. Get your head out of your butt and open your eyes!!!!!!!!! The Presidents before Obama addressed the school children, even they one that wasn't as smart as the students he was addressing. No one had an outcry, no one objected to that, so please explain to me where the problem lies when President Obama addressed these children. You "concerned parents" didn't even know what His speech was about, but you objected so profound, so harsh, and so judgemental. So explain to me why was he judged? And my support and vote is with God Almighty!!!!!!! If you read your bible you would understand, there would be no confusion. Nothing on this earth happens unless God allows it. Like I said before and will say again.......... GET ON YOUR KNEES AND PRAY!!!!!! AMERICA NEEDS IT. And in the meantime, I pray God keep all of you and open your minds to the truth. AMEN!!!!!

On the anniversary of 9/11, can you please quit acting like the wars we are fighting are useless. Out of respect for the close to 3000 people who perished 8 years ago, please quit acting as if fighting for freedom is some useless cause. It is that very freedom that allows you to have the opinions you do with no consequences. Have you forgotten that day? I won't ever forget it.

As far as I'm concerned we were attacked unprovoked and had the right to go to war with any threat posed to our security. Saddam was playing poker with us on sanctions, and made a bluff he paid for with his life. Kinda stupid to paly games after we had been attacked for no reason.

Oh, and the Dems did make a stink about Bush. It's just the liberal media chose not to focus on it. Keep drinking the kool-aid. Swallow it down..like a jagged little pill.