There has been much concern about illegal aliens receiving public funded health care should the public option portion of health care reform become law.

In a statement, referred to as a "conceit", the White House on Saturday, September 12, released the following information:

The White House has declared the following:

• "Undocumented immigrants would not be able to buy private insurance on the exchange. Those who are lawfully present in this country would be able to participate.

• "Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.

• "Verification will be required when purchasing health insurance on the exchange. One option is the SAVE program (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) which states currently use to make sure that undocumented immigrants don’t participate in safety-net programs for which they are ineligible.

• "There would be no change in the law that requires emergency rooms to treat people who need emergency care, including undocumented immigrants. There is already a federal grant program that compensates states for emergency room costs associated with treatment of undocumented immigrants, a provision sponsored by a Republican lawmaker."

There is what many of us knew had to happen, including verification.

Takes a while for folks to see a new topic. But this seems to be a huge hang up with most on this site that have been protesting health care reform. It will be interesting to see how many still post negative with no or new objections.

Hmmmm. No takers. Maybe those who have been freaking about these illegals getting something free won't have that to use as an excuse now?

There was once a formal program called the Bracero Program. It was a formal agreement between Mexico and the US. It allowed a certain number of workers, registered with both governments, to come to the US to do specific jobs for a certain length of time. Some of the money they earned was paid directly to the worker and a portion was paid to the government of Mexico for "safekeeping" for the worker to be paid at a later date.

In principle it was supposed to be a guarantee that the worker had enough money back home so that when the agreement time ran out and the worker returned home he/she would not have spent it all up here.

It doesn't take a psychic to figure out what I am going to say about what happened in actuality.

It began in 1942 to address a shortage of farm workers. This was a result of WW II and men going into the armed forces. It formally ended in its initial form in 1947 (it was originally a 5 year deal). But with farmers and the food industry now hooked on cheap labor it was extended in agriculture using a series of laws and agreements until it was formally ended in 1964. 22 years of monies being paid to the government of Mexico for "safekeeping" to be paid at a later date.

Never happened. Never will, in toto. Later generations became more educated and began asking what happened to that money. They wanted it paid to aging parents who had earned it. Parents who needed housing and medical care and simple monthly expenses. Gosh, what DID we do with that money was the Mexican government's initial response.

Quien sabe? Once the deal was exposed to the world the Mexican government coughed up something like $100,000 (some astute reader may post the latest actual figures) but then it was stated that it was never really clear where the original money had gone to. So no more payments were forthcoming for years. $100,000 of millions that you can be sure was earning interest in the bank accounts of the 7 Families.

Formal agreement between Mexico and the US involving their people working here? The Mexican people will never trust their government again. Neither should we in such a deal.

Lately it is estimated by the CBO that there are already millions of illegal aliens paying for their health insurance the same ways we do.

You think you're surprised? Remember I'm the guy from El Paso. I have been searching everything, including Forbes, to try to confirm anything close to that. My guess is it's from illegals using phony ID to work a wage job and getting insurance.

One of the ways they use to get ID is to go to a cemetery and find the grave of an infant with approximately the same birthdate as theirs. They then go to Vital Statistics at County Clerks' offices and request certified copies the birth and death certificates of their "loved one". Then they simply apply for a SS# using the birth certificate.

I can promise you they are not just paying out of pocket. This is a group who has many scofflaws at required auto liability!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8

The 25 % of middle class Americans with their middle school mentality and level of education at their finest. Fine don't believe our governent, I just wish you all hadn't believed the last 8 years of GWB we'd be so much better off .  Call whoever you all want we call too and that's democracy, just remember right now the lobbyist have the biggest voice especially in healthcare and you better be watchful of that.

Teabaggers=

These people are dangerous to the fabric of our society and should be marginalized by every thinking American.  I agree don't give them press coverage.

People who attend the tea parties are dangerous and should be marginalized?

I guess you may not be old enough, but I imagine in the 1960's you would have said those who protested the war, or discrimination, or sexism, or whatever, were "Dangerous to the fabric of society."

Oh, right, sorry, that only applies to people who don't agree with you!

In the 60's I was quite conservative, and disagreed with most of the protests, but I never thought the protesters were "dangerous to the fabric of society" and I always felt they had a right to express their opinion.

But that is the difference between an American who supports everyone's right to protest and express their opinions, and someone who can only see their own side of an issue and would rather "marginalize" (stifle) oposition rather than engage in honest, open discussion.

Sounds more like what the Nazis did - suppress opposition, because, after all, they are RIGHT! And call it Progessivism, so it sounds so positive. Fascism is what it is.

Middle school mentality? I have a BA in Political Science, a Masters in Public Administration and a Doctorate in Law. Did I like George Bush??? NO! Do i like Barack Obama? NO.

Here's middle school mentality for you: If someone attends a "Tea party" (named for the brave people protesting against British oppression), then call them a name which is a sexual reference - teabaggers. Hey! Sexually related name-calling! Wow, I thought you were older that 14!

Do you think you're superior to everryone here? Your opinion is no better than anyone else's. Grow up and learn to debate like a reasonably intelligent person, instead of insulting everyone here who happens to disagree with you.

People on both the left and right who refuse to respect others' opinions, and want to suppress them,  are no better than the brainwashed Nazis who led to the destruction of Germany.

What our country needs is people on both left and right who can discuss things reasonably without name calling and "marginalizing" opposing opinions.

RNprogressive says ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UASS1qFAIQ8

The 25 % of middle class Americans with their middle school mentality and level of education at their finest. Fine don't believe our governent, I just wish you all hadn't believed the last 8 years of GWB we'd be so much better off .  Call whoever you all want we call too and that's democracy, just remember right now the lobbyist have the biggest voice especially in healthcare and you better be watchful of that.

Teabaggers=

These people are dangerous to the fabric of our society and should be marginalized by every thinking American.  I agree don't give them press coverage.

I am apologizing now for the words I am about to say...... WHAT AN ASSHOLE COMMENT!........

According to my yearly income I am considered middle class. And I am pretty sure I am educated beyond middle school. Or am I too dumb to know what that is?! And what do you have to say about the lower class citizens? What about them?

USAFlightMedic says ...

Well said Capt.

Yup..................what i think is funny is how progressive yaps on me having public education <Univ. of Georgia>.  I have no shame because my education is not ivy league, tis ok.................they dont have any ivy league schools in NW Georgia.............yup tis ok because the University of Georgia still sends graduates to pass NCLEX...............plus Im not in debt to my puclic school or another student loan fund.  Hey I was wondering if Obama is inviting President Carter to the White house for Sunday dinner?  He should.

whew rn progressive what a lot of air! my god can yu believe what the are polling for these days and the saddest thing of all is that we prob paid good cold hard taxpayer cash to actually find that pile of shit info out!!! gimmee a break those people are insane do we really care what the heck some a$$holes  believe what a bunch of idiots! that is a small teeny bit of the world ..egads who cares they are stupid. and as far as being tired of being called unamerican because i happen to disagree with some of the BS comin out of this administration that song has already been sung .....by Miss Hillary Rodham C. and she sung it quite well!

i believe that there are those in the current admin that are not doing their jobs to the best of the taxpayers interest. i believe i would be in the majority maam.

1. If someone took a poll that states 30% of NJ  Republicans think Obama is the Anti-christ, I want some of what they're smoking!

2. I'm not a Republican. Ick. Some of my opinions in certain areas would shock my conservative friends!

3. My law career was protecting the elderly, prosecuting those who abuse and neglect them. Not much money, but I can look back and know that I helped a lot of people. My job as a JAG Officer is assisting troops and families with their legal affairs as they prepare for deployment.

4. I didn't imply I was superior - just that everyone who disagrees with you does not have a "middle school mentality." The name calling, sarcasm, and putting down people who disagree with me was never my style - I was dishing out a little of what we see you do every discussion. i just wish everyone would discuss things civilly here. Guess the irony was lost.... sorry.

You have got to be kidding about O'Reilly? Did he have a stroke before air time or something? What is this world coming to?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/17/health-care-stocks-soar-w_...

This has to do with why the health insurance industry loves the Baucus plan.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1924350,00.html?xi...

This has to do with increased costs to the states for medicais which most can't afford now and other issues with the bill.\

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxRBOlclUhVsQ1jrO...

This article has to do with how much money the healthcare industry has given to Baucus and the others in the gang of 6 .  They are owned!

well guess this is off topic:  cap and trade.   Guess what...................Ive heard conflicting figures saying that this will tax MIDDLE class amerians AND other class of americans by $1700 and then another journalist <ptooey> said over 3000....................I guess Obama didnt work on the math when he said he wouldnt tax anybody at a higher rate who made $250k.   Is that another lie by the precious one?   Ok, he sucks.   I voted for him in the primaries, much to my shame. I was cought up with all that change thingie he was speeking on .   Voted for McCain for the national election, I should have saved on the money I used to put gas in my car to get to the polls.   I hope somebody calls him a liar in public again.