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Weapons failed US troops during Afghan firefight

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Medmonkey_max50

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"WASHINGTON -- In the chaos of an early morning assault on a remote U.S. outpost in eastern Afghanistan, Staff Sgt. Erich Phillips' M4 carbine quit firing as militant forces surrounded the base. The machine gun he grabbed after tossing the rifle aside didn't work either.


When the battle in the small village of Wanat ended, nine U.S. soldiers lay dead and 27 more were wounded. A detailed study of the attack by a military historian found that weapons failed repeatedly at a "critical moment" during the firefight on July 13, 2008, putting the outnumbered American troops at risk of being overrun by nearly 200 insurgents."


Read the whole sickening story:


nursinglink.monster.com/news/articles/9008-weapons-failed-us-troops-during-afghan-firefight


All you conservatives write your congresspeople and demand that they reinforce our troops and reoutfit them with quality weapons, ammunition, body armor, armored vehicles and more medical staff at the front lines. Not just medics and corpsmen but doctors, nurses and mobile surgical units.


Also ask them to pressure the military to move these stupid outposts from narrow valleys to the highest points around. Even a stupid recruit knows he who holds the high ground controls the area, not vice versa. To H*ll with making friendlies of these village locals!


This outpost was located at the narrow neck of a valley between 2 high and steep mountains.


Duh!?! 8 years of fighting there and someone did this. And many of you now want Obama to send in more troops to be placed in imminent danger.


Please note this report is about rearming our troops, no concern about putting them where their being assaulted is less. Duh?!?

Jagc_staff_corps_insignia_army_max50

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So, Mr. Brown, my brother in arms, what have we learned since Vietnam? Have things improved under Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Carter, Clinton, Bush, Obama? Are politicians still SELF-SERVING IDIOTS who still don't give a crap about the grunts on the ground or any other military troops?


We pull out of one garbage eating sewer and pull right into another - "Oh, we'll make them into a warm and fuzzy democracy, just like us!" Oh, right!


In Vietnam I had NO faith in the politicians and I STILL don't - and it has nothing to do with Conservative or Liberal. They are all out for POWER, and that means VOTES. Almost every one will introduce or vote for any piece of garbage bill that will get them VOTES. Maybe there's no better system - I don't know...


How about we just go in where we need to if it means keeping OUR country safe, and GET OUT of everywhere else and let them fend for themselves. Sure if we had a billion trillion trillion trillion dollars to throw around we could try to save everyone all over the world. We don't. Tough.


I've been a military man since age 19 - I'll go where thay tell me, eat the MRE's, defend myself & my friends with plastic weapons that jam in the sand (like the M16 jammed in the jungle mud), and hope I come home again. Why? Because I love America, and I've lived in third-world countries - I know how blessed we are here.


I'm a patriot, and probably half-crazy. But you'd better respect and be thankful for our troops, who put their lives on the line every single day, no matter what the rich, scumbag politicians do that undercuts them - the crappy equipment, the assignment of reinforcements where none are needed, denying reinforcements where more are needed, the concentration on objectives that should be abandoned.......


ahhhh, enough... I'm going to go have a drink. HOOAH


 

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You're talking to a Marine here, Mister! I learned to walk the walk before I talked the talk. I know all about crappy tours and crappy weapons. The point of my post is for the hard core "conservatives" who talk the talk to walk the walk. Put the pressure on their elected reps like I clearly said and pressure them to outfit the troops that I cherish and feel great EMPATHY for. And I ate the same C-rats you did before the MREs. Packed heaveir weapons and ammo before what we issue now.


Tell me where I disrespected any of our troops. I fault the politicans and the high rank fools who put our troops in a bottleneck valley.


Go have a drink. It's more than our troops in Islam can do.

Jagc_staff_corps_insignia_army_max50

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Nope, I don't disagree with a thing you said (I tried some of my son's MRE's - gourmet chow if you ask me! He was USMC - front lines in Desert Storm)


Keep on posting - Semper Fi, Mac!

Medmonkey_max50

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The first MREs were horrible. They used us to experiment with them as they phased out the old C-rats. They were so bad we referred to them as "Meals Refused by Ethiopians". I mean they were truly bad. I used to swipe old C-rats for field ops when I knew were going out because the MRes were so lousy. I loved the old C-rat boned chicken dinners. I still have a handful of the old P-38 can openers you got with them. And the dates on the C-rats were from the Korean War and I am not exaggerating!


They had 2 cigarettes, a piece of chocolate and another real dessert like pound cake. As old as they were (this was in the late 60's) those C-rats were good. The ham and lima beans got you moved to the rear of a unit moving out in the field. Guess why?


Back to now - this really burns me up about this weaponry. I think we should buy a boatload of AK-47s, Russian made only. The rounds are more lethal and those guns DO NOT JAM in most conditions.


Thanks to you and your son for your service to our country. It is appreciated. Sincerely.


Semper Fi!

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Actually the C ration cigarettes were FOUR .. And the choices were.. KOOL... SALEM.. WINSTON.... MARLBORO... as for the P-38... four were included with each case if C-Rations... and you have it all wrong.. the best meal was beans and weenies..

Medmonkey_max50

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You mean some fool was swiping 2 of those stale cigarettes? Man you are no doubt right about the count but not anything with beans. Tasted good but nobody other than you thought much of the after effects. Ya know what I mean, Vern? I love my P-38s. The ones they sell at these "surplus" places are junk. Mine say "Malloy" I think. They are pretty rubbed down after all these years.

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       The M4 Carbine is a very nice weapon, but with its tight tolerances it also, like several versions of the M-16 (AR-15 NATO 5.56mm), suffers from dirt build-up.  Like the M-16 you have to keep it very clean and apply the apropriate viscosity of gun oil to get great results.  The machining leaves little room for dirt in the bolt carrier assembly.  The AK-47 had a looser assembly which allowed for more dirt build-up before malfunctions occured.  I don't know for sure, but I wonder just how clean those troops were keeping there weapons or worse yet was there a sand storm around close to the time of their engagement.  In the conditions of that area I would be much more comfortable with an M-14 (NATO 7.62) which could take a whole lot more dirt/sand in the bolt carrier.  I've (in my military experience) fired all these weapons and we always have had the most accurate ones, yet with the tight tolerances they leave little room for the parts to move freely with some dirt added in.  Remember that is why they added the forward assist on the M-16 to push through the dirty weapon malfuncitions. 


 


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