i have to reply to this since the game players are too busy with trivia to answer a serious post. 

mr brown you are correct but are you aware those numbers used to be MUCH lower until pelosi submitted they be raised!!!WHY???? i'm sure you can fathom the answer!!!its preposterous this plan and there will be more taxes paid by everyone as it should be but saying giving people things for free or subsidized by the gov is just code for YOU WILL PAY FOR IT!! you meaning everyone who has a job and pays taxes.  this plan will work IF everyone works and we all know that is just not true . just as it is true that some people do not take responsibility... no matter how much you encourage them to take care of their health.  no preconditions to becoming insured is just great except we are the most obese nation in the world! somehow when you get things without working for them it does not make you feel any accomplishment but rather entitlement.

bravo i agree 100% and yu are right nurses really do eat pretty poorly. i know i do esp at the hosp cafe where i have 15 min to eat cuz i spent 15 min in line ordering my food! nurse managed health care centers NMHC (is a part of the 1990 page monstrosity and probably the only thing i agree with in the entire boondoggle) is what you are referring to!!! its a win win but i will wager that many rn's working for these centers will be ready to commit hari kari after a few years of beating their heads against the bricks.. people do not change for anyone not even the government and that is one thing i am fully convinced of!

i think blue crooks needs to be investigated by some federal regulatory board !!! they are horrible terrible and cruel i think i hate them!!

RNprogressive says ...

Kellyj,

 

How about once we get everyone into primary care they have diet and nutritional counseling so they are educated in how to eat.  How about we teach people how to grow veg gardens, get some cheap healthy produce into inner cities and rural areas and teach people how to eat.  How about we get PE back into schools as mandatory.  How about we stigmatize obesity instead of glorifying it. See NYT article on Fat Diversity!  Are you kidding me?       www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/health/policy/08fat.html

How about we stop supersizing of food and break the corn lobby and do away with High Fructose corn syrup and tax sodas and sugary Juices to raise money for Health Care?  How about we prevent the tariffs on sugar so it is cheaper than High Fructose corn syrup if we don't abolish the use of corn in that way? How about we eat less meat and more beans , tofu etc.  How about the food in your Hospital cafeterias is better and more nutritious.  How about the nurses don't all order out for pizza , burgers, tacos, fried chicken?

I know when I travel to other countries you don't see the obesity we have here although with the infilltration  of McDonalds and KFC you do see more of it in Europe and Japan.  But how come Europeans can eat real butter and bread and pasta and not be obese?  Portion control and exercise and discipline to not get large. So how about we, nurses, start a campaign for universal healthy eating and living.  You don't want mandatory health care for all start educating and fighting for everyone to have the tools to eat right and access to healthy vegs and fruit. Campaign for sidewalks and areas for kids and grownups to exercise because really those aren't available everywhere.

 

By the way I'm 50 and weigh 125 lbs on a 5'5 inch frame.  Work out 5 days a week.  It can be done.

www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/health/policy/08fat.html

People know they need veggies, fruit and being couch potatoes is bad............they dont care and their fricken lazy.They want hambergars with lard, french fries, a side of lard, molten chocolate cake made out of lard.  They dont care if they have to go on dialysis because they want more carbs than all of the population of East Asia combined.  You do realize you are being politically incorret picking on fat people, right?  On the job you would have been written up.    Mr Brown, I CARE that we are going to be taxed in excess of 45% of our income.  What does that leave for my kids?  What about if/when they wanna have kids?  Im not gonna get any grandkids til my daughter and daughter in law arent able to have kids.  Humanity?  What would Jesus do?  Jesus worked as a carpenter and didnt ask for HANDOUTS and didnt expect the people on the mount  handover cash or they will go to hell..  Jesus would say  "PAY YOUR BILLS and dont expect to be taken care of".    Now its bad to have no insurance but tough  crap............I resent every cent going towards this piece of crap unconstitutional bill.  Cheers and I bleed red like everybody here, so Im human.......my humanity is worried about my retirement, my kids, my future gandkids.   Nobody is turned away from the ER.............tough crap if they dont get to choose a pcp, they are lucky they even get to be seen in the ER  PERIOD.  I bet Ive ruffled a bunch of feathers but I dont care.  I care about paying for losers who dont have healthcare.  JESUS wouldnt want anybody to feel like they were a burden..........................WHICH IS WHAT THE ONES WHO WANT UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IS.................A FRICKEN BURDEN ON SOCIETY.  Is nobofy worried about 10.2 % unemployment?  THIS ADMINISTRATION ;SUCKS THE BIG ONE.

Angie of Georgia,

No people don't know they need vegies and fruit.  Many children are raised nowadys not eating fruits and veggies because their parents don't want to make them eat them.  This cuts across all social classes by the way.  I know of upper middle class young mothers who say their kids won't eat them and neither will their husband so they don't have any.  The father refuses to be an example to the kids.  This is behavior that can change.  Poorer people can;t afford fruits and veggies or they don't have access to them in the center of cities really.  This too can change.  People don't know how to prepare fruits and veggies they can be educated.

  Jesus worked as a carpenter and didnt ask for HANDOUTS and didnt expect the people on the mount  handover cash or they will go to hell..  Jesus would say  "PAY YOUR BILLS and dont expect to be taken care of".    Now its bad to have no insurance but tough  crap............I recent every cent going towards this piece of crap unconstitutional bill.  Cheers and I bleed red like everybody here, so Im human.......my humanity is worried about my retirement, my kids, my future gandkids.   Nobody is turned away from the ER.............tough crap if they dont get to choose a pcp, they are lucky they even get to be seen in the ER  PERIOD.  I bet Ive ruffled a bunch of feathers but I dont care.  I care about paying for losers who dont have healthcare.  JESUS wouldnt want anybody to feel like they were a burden........

Um Angie, Jesus took care of the lepers, the prositutes, the poor of all kinds.  Fed the multitudes, cast out the moneychangers and asked us to treat others as we would want to be treated.  He would totally be  for universal health care and feeding the masses.  These are older statistics today it is worse

36.3 million American people live in households that experience hunger. This means that one in ten households in the United States is hungry. (USDA, Economic Research Service, 2003) 

☼13 million children in the U.S. go to bed hungry. (Bread for the World, 2004)

And by the way the economy went south under BUSH, Obama inherited the mess yes I know he has been there 10 months it takes a while to turn the Titanic around!  Bush I believe purposefully hard broke the US economy to allow his big bank buds and big business masters to gain an even stronger foothold on the US.  The fact you are focused on your unborn grandchildren and not on those that are here already is very telliing about your priorities.

Once more.. i am HAPPY to pay the higher personal income tax rate to cover those who do not have health care now.....Can someone here please tell me how much their taxes will increase?  I again thank EVERYONE who is concerned with my and my wife's tax bill... but really folks.. I DO NOT MIND.

It will still leave us enough money to live on.

I am confused about the altruistic concern among the Fox News crowd with the increase in taxes for the top 5% incomes.....and yet no concern for the unisured...seems to be this is the opposite of what jesus would do.

Oh so it finally starts to come out that this is class warfare and bigotry because now Kellyj is talking about final solutions and genocide, "for dealing with our weakest link"  Really?  Why is it that you all think universal health care is impossible and can never be achieved when we are the only industrialized nation without it and the others are succeeding with it.  I had a friend from Okinawa here who is Japanese and she works with Americans and cannot understand the debate about healthcare.  I have friends in Okinawa who are 70-100 years old and they are vibrant active healthy elderly people,  who can see a doc anytime they need to see one.  I worked with Special Olympics over there and their mentally challanged are well taken care of with community centers and homes for respite care for the families all on the government.  They are very involved in extended families and do take care of their own which is why there is not such a homeless problem people go home and live with their families.

Why do the naysayers think America is too inept to achieve Universal Healthcare?  We are too inept to conquer energy with renewable resources?  Why do you in the teaparty movement think we can only go back to move forward?  Why can't we innovate and accelerate in a positive forward direction, change the old paradigm and go boldly into the future.  Personally I want a car like the Jetsons!

"America too inept to achieve universal healthcare?" no....

but

"Federal government too inept to administer universal healthcare effectively & efficiently." (in other words without breaking the bank and drowning everyone in red tape)

BUT they are or have been EXCELLENT at keeping our waters our air and our nation as safe as possible.  there is need for gov just not to manage the healthcare crisis. they need to do what they do best regulate fraud and clean up medicare ...its going to be insolvent by 2016 people !!!!that is really really bad news for anyone in healthcare not just the elderly . this is really serious bad news. hmmm what to do to fix it?????

"Trees are Professors"  "Oranges are Apples"  "Peanutbutter is Coffee Cup"   There is lot more to this thing than appealing to the soft spots.  The people that don't want this monster to go through have hearts and smarts as well, just to a more logical tune.  I don't want it, long live capitalism.

Cheers - Tim, R.N.

If we took the BILLIONS of dollars wasted every year just on medications that are unnecessary,

I'm giving you a mental standing ovation.  My father is 93 and mother is 84.  I can't count how many Rx's over the years, I have thrown out.  My parents have NO pension, only SSI.  I have their Rx's pared down to the bare minimum.  At one point, a dr wanted my mother to take about 10 RX's a day.  She suffered from unexplainable nausea and vomiting for over ten years.  She had every diagnostic test known to mandkind.  Finally, her last doctor placed her on insulin for her diabetes (out went the glucophage, actos, and diabeta) and she hasn't vomited in 8 months.  Now, the only pill she takes is for her cholesterol and her insulin.  Dad takes 2 pills a day for his AD and dementia. 

I've worked in Nursing homes, where I've had to have 2 med cups just to hold the breakfast pills.  It is disgusting.  The med protonix is just another expensive reformulation of prevacid, or prilosec.  When my dad was hospitalized this summer they gave him protonix IV at a cost of about $124 for one shot.  That is insane. 

angienwgeorgia says ...

CaptainEricRN says ...

"America too inept to achieve universal healthcare?" no....

but

"Federal government too inept to administer universal healthcare effectively & efficiently." (in other words without breaking the bank and drowning everyone in red tape)

  

Yup, the govt is too inept.  Look at the post office. 

 

 

At the risk of arguing against my own position, I think a much better example is the VA health care system....THAT is GOVERNMENT SUPPLIED AND RUN health care.... what the new laws will provide will be government PAID for health care to those who cannot actually afford it.

Thank goodness I am not a VA patient. I have TriCare... government paid civilian supplied heath care....THAT is an example of what we will be getting..

Mr Brown, please don't refer to my father as a goober.  He may be 93 and have AD, but he deserves simple respect.

Goober - slang for a person who is regarded as being insignificant