BTW, I'm waiting to find out for those of you that don't have health care are going to react when you are forced to buy healthcare....and you find out that you make too much income to qualify for assistance.  I'll bet some of you will choose the fine, because the fine will be cheaper.

Socialism refers to the various theories of economic organization which advocate either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A more comprehensive definition of socialism is an economic system that has transcended commodity production and wage labor, where economic activity is carried out to maximize use-value as opposed to exchange-value, including in its definition a corresponding change in social and economic relations; such as the organization of economic institutions and resource allocation;[4] often implying advocacy for a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.[5] Socialists generally share the view that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and derives its wealth through a system of exploitation. This in turn creates an unequal society, that fails to provide equal opportunities for everyone to maximise their potential,[6] and does not utilise technology and resources to their maximum potential nor in the interests of the public.[7

Above from Wikipedia A  deeper definition speaking to public and privately owned aspects of society.  I am not saying Obama or our government are becoming socialist merely including more in the definition for understanding.  Although some redistribution of wealth for the good of society IE Roads, Hospitals,schools, etc is desirable, NO ?  how else to pay for them or only allow those that are of private ownership.

Umm what part of the mantra of personal responsibility to buy your own insurance etc doesn't extend to take care of your health?  Don't eat 40 twinkies etc.  Why only personal responsibility for paying for things and not for living your life?  Sort of like no abortions to save the unborn but no healthcare for children after they are born?

love mr dingell!!! what a guy shall we say he told the truth when he mentioned his new health care bill was crafted to "control the people!"

ha ha is this the same gut they had to elbow awake during the votes on the crap and tax bill?? i could not believe what i saw on national tv during last summers CSPAN airing of the senate! he was literally snoozing away and his aide elbowed him awake to vote! HA  i almost peed my pants laughing!! anyways the dung pile then looked to his aide who gave him the thumbs up and he then voted "aye! what a terrific example of our representation in government!

so what about mr dingell's statement doesn't smell like socialism??? i would love to know!

The terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq before GWB preemptively invaded a sovereign country.  I will keep repeating the truth until you guys hear it.  You cannot revise history.  He would not listen when advisors told him there was no reason to invade, he was looking for an excuse to invade all along.

All those lives in Iraq were lost and damaged for his ego oh yeah and the oil and the military industrial complex gorging themselves at the plate of American war.

Obama did not start any war in the US.  He only started to change the status quo and 25% of Americans believe the spew on AM radio and FOX. The ones who are cutting gas lines at houses and spitting on people and calling them racial slurs ( although none of this is about race is it????) and talking about using guns are not the Democrats/Independents. 

Margretellen says

I absolutely think the parkinsons man was a fake,  He could have been on disability. My clients are. How did a man this smart not know how to do this. Why was he sitting on the ground, This was so staged it stunk, He has 2 phds etc and taught at a college. He might have paid for his degrees like I suspect BO did.

From the UK examiner  ( I took my source outside the US so bias would not be an issue)

He put himself out there to help others, not himself.  What a concept!

So, what about you RNprog, what do you do in your spare time to volunteer?  I know I do, my husband does, and so does my teenage son....so what do you do?

Ok what do I do after 911?

I was an RN reservist in the United States Air Force and retired 1 year ago.  I have worked extensively with military families to support them during deployments and at overseas assignments.  I was on the board of a joint military spouse organization that raised over $300000 a year to give away to military and Okinawan charities on the island of Okinawa. I also volunteered 20 plus hours a week in the shop that generated these funds.  I give lots of money to save the whales the forests the abused animals etc., To fund the training of search and rescue dogs used by fire departments around the country.  Currently, I coordinate and volunteer in a shop that gives away over $50000 per year to charities and activities that support Active duty families, young airman and the poor .  I volunteer twice a year if possible with Special Olympics.

I also have been known to speak out against bigotry and hatred when I see it-- like the other day when some middle aged tourists started talking about racial minorities as dead beats, criminals and uneducated monkeys. Including a joke where the teller had to hesistate until she came up with a substitute word instead of the N word which she almost said.  How many n---uh--  ducks does it take , yadayadayada. Yes in our America in broad daylight and in a crowd awaiting a tour of the Pearl Harbor memorial.  I turned around and said"  The men who gave their lives on that ship that day in  defense of our nation and since did not die or serve to support you spewing hate and ignorance.  By the way there are children here and we can only hope they don't hear you because this type of thinking needs to die with you. Yes, you are lucky enough to have Freedom of Speech you should use it wisely." 

And you?

BTW, I did my military time at Submarine Base Pearl Harbor, just a short jog from the Pearl Harbor Memorial.  I'm familiar with all kinds of discrimination that went on in Hawaii, not just with tourists.

 I don''t see taking care of  family as volunteer time it is expected

LOL, tell that to my sibling.

I have to reply to the prior post by rnprog, the man on the ground. Are you not curious which friend placed him on the ground.

Have you seen people with parkinsons, sit themselves on the ground?  Don't you know people with parkinsons with less education, know how to apply for disability. Maybe one of his nice friends, that put him on the ground also know that he is too mentally ill to know how to apply for disability.  This was staged and I would not doubt that the people that harassed him were also staged. How is it that cameras are only by the ones that get the news.

Did you read about his qualifications? This whole thing is a joke.

Wow did you see all the companies like ATT etc that are going to lose millions to billions because of the health care bill.

Guess I will buy some cows, plant gardens and learn how to can food. I have faith that we have now hit barock bottom and things can only get better when some people are moved out of office.

editor says ...

Okay guys...

Yet again, a healthcare reform thread has morphed into just "general rants about politics."  Let's PLEASE stay on the subject at hand.  I really don't feel like going through and deleting all these posts.

If you want to rant about politics, you are more than welcome to do so in a private group.  These political rant threads are getting too heated and too touchy for the public NursingLink forum - which is for anything RELATED TO NURSING - which general political rants are not.

Back to the subject at hand, please.

I didnt do it, I was sick and have a note. confirming that I felt like crap.........if given a fax number I'll have my mother fax it right over, my md could vouch for me but Im scared to ask him cuz  campain worker for Gov. Purduew  and he knows I dont like my Governor, so I'll just have my mom do the note.................or what about Fred and Sampson........will they do?  Hey, yall probbly didnt even miss me, so to heck with that!

kellyj says ...

people are angry they feel unrepresented by their congress people.  especially the ones that defect to other parties once elected.

that is a small small portion of people and hardly represents the majority. the rest of us go to work everyday and have no time to pontificate on the constitution or any kind of politics for that matter! the only reason i have even remotely begun to give a rat's butt is because now a lot of the BS that is occurring up there on capitol hill is affecting me my family my job and my  coworkers !

as for volunteering i am impressed with anyone who freely gives their time to care for others esp those who take volunteer jobs that risk their lives. as for nursing it is the best profession in the world and i feel that anyone who does our kind of work has a real heart.

the real truth of this healthcare "reform" will eventually come out as has the loan debacle the banks and the automotive industry and what running 2 wars has done to our country.  there will never be any secrets in history forever as the truth always has a way of letting itself be known.  i await the truth as it will not be any surprise to me.  however i cannot speak for everyone

Long live the Republic

Margaretellen says ...

I dont' know if these threads got to radical. Maybe I missed something with the note from the editor.

But I believe health care is political. It is politics that is dictating the care of patients. So as a nurse, my concern is caring for patients, not aiding them to expediate their death.

I just don't know how to talk about the current health care bill without bringing politicians in this.

The topic is called Nursing Politics/Activisim.

What other group is she talking about?

I have to agree. Especially how backhanded politics is what got the bill passed in the first place.

I know the problem, pinknurse with med costs are scary........however we still are a free country.  Where is the incentive for a company to produce a product and charge whatever they need to to cover the cost of research and development?  We are headed to socialism right now unless we stop funding with congress.   Hey I heard a couple of soundbites when Obama said we had 57 states!   Im still giggling.  Yup, that was on AM radio.  My husband listens to that, personally, I prefer country music.

well now that we have recieved the A-OK from castro on our new health plan i am just so relieved! can't tell you how much it means to me to have his approval now if only we could get hugo and akmanutjob to hold hands with us and sing Kumbya ....